need help identifying these

I found these two perennials, but having difficulty trying to identify them. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
thanks!

 

First two photos appear to be two varieties of Sedum mixed together.

 

I would say it was all one sedum. The second is a coneflower (Rudbeckia).

 

Based on your info I found out the first one is sedum kamtschaticum, which wasn't listed in my perennial book.
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