I bought a super new book.

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  1. Silver surfer

    Silver surfer Contributor 10 Years

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    Bought a super new book...
    "Identification of Trees and Shrubs in Winter using Buds and Twigs"
    ..by Bernd Schutz.
    Full of exquisite hand drawn illustrations.
    I decided I needed to swot up on my winter id of UK trees.

    But nothing is ever easy.
    Went to Scone Palace in Perthshire and took clear pics of the buds /leaf scars of this tree.
    They don't match the book.
    Now I have lost confidence and am beginning to doubt my id.
    I will first post the bud/scars.
    (Later I can add the leaves which were still on the tree.)
    Based solely on buds what do others think this is?
    PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 10-50-52.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-33-49.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-34-55.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-35-07.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-35-19.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-35-37.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-40-42.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-40-50.JPG
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    One of the Asian walnut (Juglans) species.
     
  3. Silver surfer

    Silver surfer Contributor 10 Years

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    Many thanks Ron...as always your expertise is appreciated.

    Pic 4 in first batch above show flower buds.
    Doesn't look like pic in new book. Oh dear this is so hard.
    Scars looking a good match on wiki.
    Juglans Mandshurica.....Does the rest still fit...leaf pics attached.?

    File:Juglans mandshurica lehearm 01.jpg - Wikimedia Commons


    PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 10-51-32.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 10-51-55.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-36-05.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-38-13.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-38-27.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-38-47.JPG PTEROCARYA   PROBABLY 20-10-2019 13-39-08.JPG
     
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  4. wcutler

    wcutler Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    I'm so excited that I thought it was a walnut before I noticed that you'd included a habit photo, I can't tell you. I'm just posting to mention that species trees are not clones, so there are variations to be expected. And Ron B has mentioned on other threads how easily walnuts cross.
    You didn't say it was a walnut at the start - were you even questioning that?
     
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    Silver surfer Contributor 10 Years

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    Is it Juglans Mandshurica????
    Please confirm.

    My first thought was Walnut.
    But the more I searched the more confused I got and ended with Pterocarya sp
    But have seen Pterocarya at Westonbirt Arbotetum complete with label years ago and can well remember the blinking forest of suckers.
    So rather than getting bogged down under a heap of books I thought I would ask the experts.

    Scone Palace is where Kings of Scotland were crowned in the past.

    scone palace - Google Search

    They have a Pinetum with many original trees grown from seeds sent back by David Douglas in 1826..inc Pseudotsuga menziesii...Douglas fir.
    Several trees have been planted by visiting Royalty/dignitaries

    BOOK......
    "Identification of Trees and Shrubs in Winter using Buds and Twigs" - Bing images



    PSEUDOTSUGA  MENZIESII  DOUGLAS  FIR 23-06-2014 15-30-22.JPG PSEUDOTSUGA  MENZIESII  ORIGINAL  SEED 28-05-2010 16-08-40.JPG PSEUDOTSUGA  MENZIESII  ORIGINAL  SEED 28-05-2010 16-08-57.JPG PSEUDOTSUGA  MENZIESII  ORIGINAL  SEED 28-05-2010 16-09-05.JPG PSEUDOTSUGA  MENZIESII  ORIGINAL  SEED 28-05-2010 16-14-08.JPG PSEUDOTSUGA  MENZIESII  ORIGINAL  SEED 28-05-2010 16-44-36.JPG
     
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    Lila Pereszke Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Silver surfer Contributor 10 Years

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    Many thanks Lila.
    I will try and check over future years for the fruits.

    Love your Pterocarya pics.
     

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