It is a large evergreen about 30 years old and it makes unusual cones.. what falls on the gound look like small roses made of wood.. the cones are very large and upright in growth they apear in the fall and ripen and fall in the late winter or early spring..the foliage is a green with a slight blue tint.. I will attach photos and hope someone knows what it is.. I am thinking a Cedar of Lebonan but it has a sharp apex..
Deodar Cedar Cedrus deodara. The needles are too long for Lebanon Cedar, and also Lebanon Cedar cones don't open so readily on drying (they open when snow meltwater re-freezes and expands)
Notice also the density of the tree in silhouette and the downward-arching shoot in the foliage shot. Cedar-of-Lebanon is much less frequent here than Atlas Cedar and Himalayan Cedar. Scarecrow habit C. deodara are sold and planted here as weeping forms of C. libani under various synonyms such as C. libani 'Beacon Hill', C. libani 'Emerald Falls' (both green and prickly, probably the same cultivar - that is, C. deodara 'Repandens' - if not the same clone), C. libani 'Glauca Pendula' (bluish and quite typical C. deodara except for the habit) and so on. One of the clones sold under the last name and other combinations, including simply C. libani 'Pendula' is shown in the recent Timber Press conifer book with the caption C. deodara 'Libani Pendula', without any background information (on the name).
Hi and Thanks to all who have answered about this tree.. the needles are square if cut acrost and about 1 to a max of 1.5 inches long.. I looked at the web again looking for the grouping of the needles up close and the color.. I agree with the tree most likely being some form of the "deadora".. the cones only fall after the winter ice and snow and contain double winged seeds.. the seeds look like they are trying to sprout.. but the cones set much eariler.. . I took a walk today and counted several others similar trees in the neighborhood that have been planted at or near the same time frame but setting back further from the road/sidewalk it was not as easy to see the destintive remains of the cone after it falls.. most of it is in pieces but there are many 'heads' that look like roses.. the cones stay on the tree for a long time maybe a year or so.. I was beginning to think they never would fall .. when they do start to fall you do not want to be under the tree you can hear them pop and then you get rained on with bits and pieces.. quite the neighborhood interest.. again THANKS for the help..
I would stray to say that it is Cedrus atlantica both in form and needle shape, and cone and overall structure. Deodaras are more pendent in shape and differ in needle cluster. It just doesn't fit with Cedrus deodara. I could be wrong, but this is my take based on the specimens throughout Metro Vancouver.
Many Himalayan cedars with this crown profile - including comparatively flat branches - seen here. The needles are too long and slender for Atlas cedar, which has thick-looking needles. Of the three more familiar ones, the two extremes are Himalayan and Atlas cedars with Cedar-of-Lebanon somewhat intermediate. There are some Cyprus Cedar around, these amount to a Cedar-of-Lebanon with particularly short needles. Most specimens of this tree here are comparatively young. There were a few older ones in Vancouver some years ago but these may have been taken out by a cold winter. The two main groups are the Himalayan Cedar and the Mediterranean cedars, the latter all sufficiently similar to one another to have been classed as varieties or subspecies of C. libani by some.
I have 2 other photos that might help to clarify things ..I took one looking up through the branches to get the bark and how dense the tree is.. yes it has a redish hue .. I took an end off the tree branch and seperated the grouping of needles off and placed them next to the stem with a ruler.. 1.5 inches the needles that do not form a group and fill in the blanks are 2 inch long in the groups there are 12-14 needles per group.. if there is any other information that I could gather for you please let me know .. it is quite the puzzle
