Aster or daisy?

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  1. hiking Pat

    hiking Pat Active Member

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    The leaf is throwing me off. It was seen at Pickle jar Lakes in Kananaskis on Julty 28 2019.
    Getting closer - It has the same tri-petal configuration that the gaillardia aristata has.
     

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  2. Acerholic

    Acerholic Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout Maple Society

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    IMO it is in the daisy family, Pilosella officinarum. It is highly variable.
    I was thinking about pallenis due to the leaves. And possibly Calendula stellata due to other leaves that seemed closeby.
     
  3. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Presumably plant asked about is growing in Canada - it would be best if the location was given with each submission, in such as way as to make it possible for readers from outside of the region to easily and quickly understand where it is.

    Otherwise there are very many species of yellow daisies. However two notable features of the one asked about here is that the central discs are broad relative to the length of the ray flowers and these latter are divided into three sections near their tips.
     
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    ty. it does have more of a calendula petal the pilosella is more of a flat end.
     
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    Sorry Ron - seen in the Rockies in Alberta, Canada in July
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    The two species suggested are Old World plants, something that has happened before on your posts asking about ones seen in Canada. This is why I mentioned the need to indicate where you are seeing the ones you are asking about each time. In such a way that readers located well outside of the involved region will be able to tell.
     
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    wcutler Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    I'm not helping in this case, but I have been told that people trying to distinguish Asteraceae flowers want to see the configuration of the involucres on the back of the flowers, in addition to what you are showing here. With a million different yellow daisies, you have to show every everything to hope to distinguish them. It may be that what's shown on the back of the flower could lead someone to a page that has what you're noticing on the front.
     
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    Thank you - I will just call it a daisy for now until the next time I see it.
     
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    Ty. The Tetraneuris acaulis has the 3 toothed tip and This one doesn't have that 3 toothed tip. The petals are in groups of 3 but the petal tip is smooth.
     
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    I can't find anything closer than Tetraneuris (Hymenoxys) acaulis.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    As I mentioned at 135PM the ray flowers of your plant actually do in fact have very visibly 3 parted tips.
     
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    Acerholic Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout Maple Society

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    @hiking Pat good morning, this does remind me of the maples forum, when someone asks about a maple without a tag. There are now thousands of cultivars and seedlings that have been sold online, with so many very close in description to each other that it is near impossible to ID.
    With Daisies, as you have now decided to call this one, there is the same problem 'just so many variations' and variation within a variation, if you get my meaning.

    Please don't be put off sending in more of your hiking photos Pat, as this one cannot be named 'at present'. I think you can see, eveyone is enjoying the challenges you are putting on the forum.
    For my part I would love to see a photo of the setting that the plant you are trying to identify as well. I believe Ron has said, this can help.
     

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