I found another "single white Weeping cherry" at 3859 West 38 Ave. at Wallace St. NE corner. The flower is 3 cm wide with 1.3 x 0.9 narrower petals. The 2 cm pubescent pedicel holds 3~4 flowers.
In your photos here, the petals are narrow, as you mentioned, so they don't overlap, and to me they look more delicate, more like 'Beni-shidare' but white. [edited by wcutler 2011jan15: In your posting in the thread now named Sendai-shidare - Single white blossoms, mid-season, pendulous], your photos show the petals overlapping, so from the top, the blossoms look more like 'Somei-yoshino'. They look tougher to me, but I know one doesn't read botanical descriptions that say things like that. The examples of 'Shidare-yoshino' that I've seen are often broader trees, and the characteristic that made me guess that as the name of our 'Shidare-yoshino' trees was the thick twisted limbs. I don't see any leaves on your 'Snofozam' photo; the leaves come out with the blossoms on those other trees.
Note that the cultivar name 'Snofozam' is enclosed in single quotes but the registered trademark Snow Fountains is not. Only cultivar names are indicated by the use of single quotes. Registered trademarks are marketing devices used to sell cultivars. For purposes of illustration, here are some comparisons (perhaps not of strict parallels, but probably close enough to make the point): 'Snofozam': gelatin Snow Fountains: Jello 'Snofozam': glyphosate Snow Fountains: RoundUp Before trademarks and registered trademarks (and plant patents) were used in the marketing of plants only botanical, cultivar, and common names were involved. Now selling names (trademarks etc.) are common and need to be understood in order to refer to them accurately when discussing plants. 'Snofozam': 'Shidare-yoshino' Snow Fountains: [no equivalent, 'Shidare-yoshino' being a multiclonal cultivar with ostensibly no trademarks etc. being used to sell any of the clones]
Re: Which single white weeping cherry, early mid season? I found a nursery's blog posting with photos of a tree said to be 30-35 years old (in 2011). That should be close to original for this cultivar, so that could give some indication what size to expect for an old tree.
Re: Sendai-shidare - Single white blossoms, mid-season, pendulous I've copied this posting here from the Sendai-shidare thread, as it in part answers Joseph's posting. But I mis-read his question to be asking about 'Sendai-shidare', where he asked about 'Shidare-yoshino'. We've never talked about 'Shidare-yoshino', and though I saw a cutting last night, I don't really have any feel for what that is at all. Joseph, which tree were you asking about distinguishing from 'Snofozam'? Unlike the earlier pendulous trees with white blossoms, this 'Sendai-shidare' is putting out leaves before the blossoms are open at all. Note the long, thin sepals.
I need to get some 'Snofozam' leaves posted, so here are two trees we have been calling 'Snofozam'. These two photos of the tree near the Aquabus dock at the foot of Hornby were taken in March by Sue Wagner. There were no leaves when the tree was in bloom. Here are leaf photos I took today, same tree. This tree at Clive and McHardy has never been caught with flowers, but it seems to be the same as the Hornby Street one. The owner called it Snow Blossoms.
[Edited by wcutler: I have copied posts about this tree from the Burnaby Neighbourhood Blog. ] Sunny Chen took this photos on 04/07. Located on 6568 Sumas drive . Just wonder is this snofozan or Ito-zakura(white weeping cherry)?
Snofozam at 4692 Victory . Photos taken by Sunny Chen. After dropping off her grandaughter at the preschool , she always wandered around the community. She is a very good cherry scout.
I don't know. Is there a younger more obvious 'Snofozam' to compare it to? I would like to see more photos of calyx tubes and sepals, and of open leaves' margins. The photos of ito-zakura I've checked have more calyces that are more shapely, with a tighter constriction between the bulge and the sepals. It's just so hard to believe that those young 'Snofozam' grow up to look like this. Maybe we could compare leaves on both those trees too.
Here are some more photos, taken by Emily Tsai and Tony Chen, not taken at the same day. Hope they can help to identify what this cherry is. Leaves emerge green during flowering.
Thanks, Janice, and thanks to Emily and Tony for such good photos. It looks like I'm going to have to make a pronouncement here. It won't be the first time I've named something wrong, so sure, I'll do this. I think that it's 'Snofozam', [edited: I thought I was agreeing with Janice, but she says not] and I just have to change my idea of what these can look like. They've been around since 1985, and I guess 36 years is enough time for a Prunus avium rootstock to get this hefty. I am deciding this mostly on the calyces, of which hardly any have the round urceolate shape (like an urn, with a bulge and then a rather tight constriction) that many of the calyces on ito-zakura have. Also, the branches are stiff and straight. It seems that both ito-zakura and 'Snofozam' can have serrations on the sepals. Here's another thing: Kuitert, Wybe, in Japanese Flowering Cherries (Timber Press, Portland, OR, 1999, p. 169) says for ito-zakura We don't have mature leaves, but these leaf tips seem more pronounced than small. But we do have glands, we don't have hairs on the leaf undersides, and the stipules are more like 20 to 2.5mm. So that's three strikes against ito-zakura. Too bad 'Snofozam' isn't included in this book. For now, that's what it is.
Here is a comparison between Snofozam and Ito-zakura. 1. Snofozam from VanDusen Botanical Garden (Shaughnessy) at April 6, 2021. 2. Ito-zakura on SE corner of E. 30 and Fraser (Kensington) at April 11, 2021. Differences noted: a) Calyxes—The second photo for each shows the difference in calyxes, with Ito-zakura having a definite and prominent bulge. b) Flower Shape—Even as Ito-zakura is past peak bloom and showing red eye, the flowers have not opened much beyond their droopy, bell-like pendulas. Snofozam flowers are opening flat, and face-up so you can see the narrowing at the base of the petals. In Post #14, top row of photos, the third one shows both flower and calyx similar to the photo of VanDusen's Snofozam. To me, the tree at 6568 Sumas drive. appears to be a well-aged Snofozam, and not Ito-zakura.
