'New Trees'

Discussion in 'Plants: Science and Cultivation' started by Michael F, May 18, 2009.

  1. Michael F

    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Excellent new book just come out (published 19 May 2009): New Trees: Recent Introductions to Cultivation by John Grimshaw & Ross Bayton, Kew / IDS, 976 pages. ISBN 978-1-84246-173-0. Available from http://www.kewbooks.com details at http://www.kewbooks.com/asps/ShowDetails.asp?id=795

    Covers all of the temperate climate trees that have been introduced into cultivation since about 1980, plus a few that had been introduced earlier but were overlooked in older books, or have had significant new material (additional subspecies or varieties) introduced. Over 800 species covered altogether.
     
  2. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Ordered one through International Dendrology Society awhile back. Don't have it yet.
     
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    The book is listed on Amazon (Canada) but is not available.

    As for the International Dendrology Society, I would be interested in joining but the web site is almost non-existant and you seem to need to write to them, be nominated by a member who knows you, then receive the secret password. Is there a simplier way to join this group? Is there a list of Canadian members somewhere?

    Michael
     
  4. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Yes, you need to be nominated by a member.
     
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    mrtree Active Member

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    So that means that somebody who does not know a member can never join. Typical of British snobbery.
     
  6. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    I was nominated by other Americans. I know two other members that live in my little backwater metropolitan area. You may find there is someone in your area that is a member, perhaps someone you already know personally.
     
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    mrtree Active Member

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    How exactly do you find out who is a member if there is no list available? My little backwater is 7000 people.
     
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    Millet Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    I agree with mrtree concerning the method of membership into the International Dendrology society . Seems rather strange, if not pompous of the International Dendrology Society. I belong to several Citrus societies, and all of the societies that I am a member, gladly allow any and all who are interested in learning about citriculture into their membership. - Millet (1,336-)
     
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  9. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    It is not snobbery at all. Many of
    the International Societies are peer
    member organizations. Essentially
    the reasoning for such standards of
    membership was meant to lock out
    or forbid people that were considered
    to be non qualified from joining. For
    Ron and perhaps Michael, as well, it
    was an honor for them to be nominated.

    I do think that the criteria used in the
    past for memberships in several Societies
    nowadays has been measured not to dissuade
    anyone that has a strong or genuine interest
    in becoming a member. It is not like we
    are forced to have a Ph.D. in a Natural Science,
    Botanical or Agronomic related field any more
    to fast track ourselves as being members now
    but having an advanced degree and being in
    either an applied position and/or a scholastic
    one sure helps. The little guy that wants to
    become a member in select Societies that
    has little qualifications in plants has a tough
    road to hoe unless someone of stature can
    vouch for them. Not just anyone propagating
    plants were allowed to join the IPPS in years
    past. A lot of current day nurserymen would
    not have qualified for membership without
    recognized credibility by their peers in
    plants or from the intellectual community.

    Usually newly published books from an
    International Society will become available
    elsewhere from book venders and online
    booksellers. Give it a year or two and
    then watch these books become more
    freely offered for sale on Abebooks,
    Alibris and Amazon. A case in point
    for me was a book that was referenced
    in a Scientific American article. I made
    the mistake of wanting the book 25 years
    ago and had to have permission from the
    author to buy it - did not know that until
    after I had already ordered it. I just waited
    two years and was able to buy a copy right
    off the bookshelf from the same bookstore
    I originally ordered it from. The Society
    journals and the Society published books
    are not so easily found on the bookshelves,
    so going through an online book source
    may be the only way to go. I've bought
    a lot of Journals this way much like how
    you, Millet, know how I found a series
    of Hilgardia articles not always offered
    in the US from a German bookseller source
    selling through Abebooks.

    Jim
     
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    A select society? Perhaps you mean imbred as well as snobbish since they choose who can join.

    As for non-qualified individuals, how do you qualify? Be wealthy lord? Perhaps have an over-paid civil service job, work at Kew. What about the serious amateur toiling away using their own money and time. WHat about those toiling away in far off lands, by themselves, who finally have access to the internet but not friends in a select society. Lets make sure that only the select have access to such an important bunch of knowledge that the IDS is protecting. Oh and lets not forget that you cannot be learning, you must have reached the standard magically.

    Bahh!!!!!
     
  11. Michael F

    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Of course any IDS members reading this will be seriously dissuaded from assisting now . . . .
     
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    Why would they assist? they have no idea who I am and it appears that means I am not suitable for IDS. Apparently you need to know somebody and have pleased them. Ah well Britian has lost the empire, but they can hold on to their clubs.
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Good one Ron!
     

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