Most common Japanese for Siebold's Maple

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  1. emery

    emery Renowned Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    I would like to put a Japanese name for A. sieboldianum on the tree plaque. However my sources (the usual, MOW, Vertrees/Gregory etc) have several names listed. MOW lists Ko hau uchiwa kaede (Wikipedia's choice) as pertaining particularly to small leaved forms, so that doesn't seem appropriate. That leaves Aiai gasa, Itaya meigetsu, Kibana uchiwa kaede. I would pick the latter since it at least has kaede (maple) in it, but my Japanese is minimal, so... Goggle seems to think it is "yellow flowered maple," which would fit.

    Can anyone help? Thanks

    -E
     
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    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Acer japonicum var. Sieboldianum (Miquel) Franchet et Savatier

    Acer sieboldianum Miquel

    Acer sieboldianum f. microphyllum (Maxim.) Hara

    I listed the above on purpose. I learned this Maple
    by the first and third variety form listings. The middle
    listing is the modern day (recognized less than fifty
    years) shortened version of the much older (top listing)
    and once widely recognized in Japan written form. It
    was understood for many years until recently that the
    forma plant was the smaller leafed Maple in this
    case as there are other forma Maples in this series.
    I believe that some plants of Siebold's Maple have
    yellow, cream or white flowers so stating that
    Siebold's Maple is a yellow flowered Maple does
    not apply to the entire realm of forma, variety,
    cultivar and variant form plants.

    The old translated form as I remember it, the
    consensus form from more than one botanical
    book out of Japan listed Acer sieboldianum as
    Ko uchiwa kaede (no hyphens between the
    words then). Much of the more recent text (the
    last five to ten years especially) errantly to some
    of us list the name with the hyphens such as
    Ko-hauchiwa-kaede. Even in Japan, once
    cornered or directly asked the Japanese will
    refer to the Maple by the old spelling sans the
    hyphens.

    I believe in the Vertrees second edition book
    there are listings of synonym names that were
    considered to be cultivars at one time. Thus
    Ko hauchiwa kaede was considered to be a
    cultivar years ago in Japan. I learned Itaya
    meigetsu as being a cultivar and this Maple
    may still be found in very select collections.

    Jim
     
  3. Michael F

    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    From here, it is イタヤメイゲツ, コハウチワカエデ
     
  4. emery

    emery Renowned Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    Thanks both.

    Itaya-meigetsu or Ko-hauchiwa-kaede is how Ogata has it, which is a good source for me.

    As for flower colour, Bean has "easily distinguished by the yellow (not purple-red) flowers," which is the prevailing opinion (although I don't doubt there is some natural variation plant to plant).
     

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