Anyone growing this plant? I happened upon it at Maillot the image there looks kinda like a photoshop disaster. I do see that this plant even made it onto Mr. Shep's 'wanted list' in 05.
Interesting variety, I agree. Would any of the French speakers out there be willing to say whether this passage of text from the Maillot website means that you need to keep part of the understock in leaf to maintain vigour? The English version of their site is not very clear and babelfish, google translate etc are no better and my limited French is very rusty. Thanks
Gil, Thanks for pointing out this cultivar. I had never heard of it and have added it like probably many others to my wish list. Mike
i received this cultivar by Maillot together Taimin nishiki and another two weeks ago;this is very nice !!but Taimin nishiki is fantastic!!
Alex, congratulations on your new acquisitions. I'm envious. Please do share photos when/if you have them. So how does the 'Izu no odoriko' look to you now? You said it was only very nice while the 'Taimin nishiki' was fantastic. Is the Izu no odoriko just less colorful because of the white in with the pink and green, or has the tree overall greened up on you? When I went on their site to see what Poetry was talking about, the 'Taimin nishiki' was the second cultivar to make my lust list from the site. Now, how to convince my husband we need to travel to Europe so I can hide these beauties in my suitcase. Hmmm. LOL. So my lust list, right now, is TAIMIN NISHIKI IZU NO ODORIKO BI HOO AKANE with quite a few more on the short, short list, and many on the short list. And the order changes hourly.
Taimin nishiki www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=215577&l=5b6abf2d4f&id=1616321540 now i click pics of Izuno odoriko..
I have a good friend who helps run a large Japanese maple nursery who told me this week they are having a devil of a time keep the variegation stable on Taimin nishiki and Fujanami nishiki. In fact they threw all their Taimin away recently and Fujanami may go the same way. That same day another friend told me the same story about variegation instability on Tequila Sunset. This is different from say Ukigumo which will vary its variegation year to year. This has to do with the permanent loss of variegation on the tree period. Gomero wrote recently about this very point on his Fujinami nishiki thread. The openness of acer palmatum's genome makes it show large variety which we all prize but it has costs too. I chose to risk my friend's advice & buy a Tequila Sunset but I have an acer davidii 'Hanu suru' which I bought for my variegates collection and which has forgotten that it is a variegate the last 2 years having solid green leaves and not a hint of variegation. We need to be aware that some newer cultivars will leave the trade in a matter of years because they permanently lose their variegation like boys losing their soprano voices. I know Taimin and Fujinami nishiki and Tequila are still quite rare in our collections but what are the experiences of other forum members and their thoughts? Thank you.
hi Mike monsieur Maillot write me about Taimin nishiki : prune the branch with no variegation and this maple remain beautiful for many years and stable variegation.. ciao
Well, in its second year my Taimin Nishiki (also from Maillot) lost all its variegation (i.e.: it leafed out all the same color), thus the remedy you mention Alex cannot be applied in a case like this. I did not cut it down though and kept it as a nice dwarf red amoenum. I confirm what Mike says: several major maple growers that I know in Europe have given up on that one. Gomero Gomero
Alex, your photos are GORGEOUS! I hope you will continue to post photos throughout the year and next year, too. Gomero, katsura, thank you for the excellent information.
hi there here the answer : to keep this cultivar healthy and alive you'll have to keep a wild growth from the stockplant otherwise it mays die because of the leak in chlorophylle. i hope it helps you because my english is not as good as my french;)
Merci beaucoup. Your English is fine, a big improvement over the Maillot website (English) version. (I guess "porte greffe" is a specialised horticultural term meaning understock or rootstock, and that's why the translation programs are picking it up as "door transplant", "door registry" and the like.)
and if some one is interested i'm a nurseryman specialised in japanese maples and i worked for pepinieresgaurrat.com in france and now for sonkoot.nl in netherlands i'm also the owner of a 150 japanese maples collection among the best ones (in my opinion) any question could be answered also about taimin nishiki and fujinami nishiki which are part of my collection of course. i hope all of you maple enthusiasts will have my new breeding selections in your own gardens in a few years time.
specialist, what has been your experience with taimin nishiki and fujinami nishiki losing their variegation over a period of several years? thank you
O.T. Maple List A few years ago I was introduced to the Ganshukutei web site by Layne Uyeno. He had interest in two Maples from the photos in that web site and asked if I knew much to anything about them. Both of Layne's two queries are listed in that want list. A want list can have two different meanings to me. Some Maples I would like to have based on their coloring and overall shapes from photos from a leading web site or we want to monitor some of these plants to see how they match up to Maples we may have been around in the past. The Hana matoi interested me from the Yano photo as it reminded me of a Maple I saw in Osaka in 1990 that did not have any variegation. What I liked of it was the large sizes of the dissected leaves and the good red coloring. Actually I felt the red dissectum was a nomura group red which interested me greatly as there arent very many nomura group dissectums to choose from. For the Fujinami nishiki I like the comment that we should keep this tree vigorous, runs contrary to some of the Maples I've been around in which we really did not want them to be overly vigorous, so the color would be retained more readily as opposed to lost. Many of the variegated Maples can lose their variegation after a period of years, some sooner, some much longer in time before they green or bronze out or in the case of the bi-color leaved Maples, lose one of the two colors. Years ago there was a Maple very much like Fujinami nishiki that had come in from Japan that produced its variegation on the first and second year wood. The third year wood could be devoid of the bi-colored leaves but as long as we forced this Maple to send out vigorous growth we also saw plenty of the variegation. When we got a settling down of the Maple we saw few leaves with the bi-color variegation in the young wood. Even Mr. Vertrees Yubae as pictured in the second edition book did not hold its variegation long but the Maple is still variegated if we stand under the tree and look skyward as light passes through the leaf - a red Higasayama is how one person best said it to me. We can see the variegation in the through the leaves almost as a layered effect but not see any variegation in the red leaves viewing the surface of the leaves from above the leaf looking downward. Usually it is the opposite for the nomura group reds in that we see the red on red variegation much more easily standing from above the leaf but we can still see the variegation in the leaves later on in the year by standing under the tree and looking upward as light passes through the leaf. Oshu beni, the old Don's Big Red, that was sent to Japan for evaluation and was named in Japan is a good example of a nomura group red that shows the red on red variegation in the early Spring on the surface of the leaves and still show the variegation up until mid to late Summer when looking through the leaf standing below the leaves and looking upwards. The old Nomura Maple can do pretty much the same thing as Oshu beni which is why we felt it was a big time misnomer to call or refer to either Maple as being an atropurpureum. A piece of advice: if you have interest in a Maillot plant that has a Japanese name, look in the Ganshukutei web site to, see a companion photo of the Maple you have interest in. Jim
Jim, Thanks so much for that insight about the different years' woods producing differeent variegation. I had not thought of that. Mike
i have them for only three years now and i removed all the wild shoots since the beginning so i i don't have any problems for now.i will let you know since i go back to france next month and i'm gonna leave some pictures to let you see.
