Holy Aroids, Batman!

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  1. lorax

    lorax Rising Contributor 10 Years

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    I actually have the means and lifestyle to do so. It's not well shouted around here, but I'm a theatrical costume designer and scenographer, and I specialised in textile surface design and stressing (artificial aging) within the costume aspect. What a great idea! I hope you don't mind if I yoink it?

    It would be really cool done as a pieced trapunto in watered green silk, with the major veins either lightly bleached or painted with slightly reflective silver-green acrylic.... Otherwise, I think it would almost have to be of vinyl and have the veins heat-set into it. Either way, it would be a great excuse to wear a top-hat.
     
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    I was thinking pleated silk, with some form of stiffening so the shoulders are rather glamrock(can't remember the name of the band I'm thinking of). Do make it, and wear the tophat! Devore velvet would be a possibility,too.
     
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    Nice blog Beth!!
    I just went throught the lot (I think) and couldn't see a Philo or a Xanth??
    I might be going blind!!
    Anyone got a direct link on those?

    Ed
     
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    Liz Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Lorax loved the photos. I think I have one of these type of plants down by the pond. The leaf shape is certainly like it. And from memory it has a greeny coloured spathe?? and I remeber from years ago a beautiful light perfume. I have been promised a loan of a digital. Is it possible one of these would grow down here. 8-40C

    Liz
     
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    Certainly Liz! Your climate is often near ideal of Anthurium species!
     
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    Liz Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Good I might be able to join this thread with a genuine specimen. Now for the digital and some varification.
    Liz
     
  7. lorax

    lorax Rising Contributor 10 Years

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    Ed - aroid of the week only just started. I'll do Xanthosoma next friday, and then there will be a pic and link. I'll follow it up with that Philodendron - I'm going back to the site where it was growing later today, so I'll hopefully be able to get a less shaky pic of it (so long as I take it before I climb to the paramo at the top of the ridge.)

    So no, you're not going blind - they're not there yet.
     
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    Hi Everyone!

    Beautiful shots of the jungle!

    I don't think the image 'Aroid of the week' is A. angamarcanum. To me it looks more like A. cupulispathum, although the inflorescences is not dark pink, but is the same type of spath. There is also another species that resembles Cupulispthum, but doesn't get the 6'(2 meters) huge blades, but I can't remember it's name. I think it started with a 'G'.
    It could aslo be A. dolichostachyum, because that species is also very similar.
    I don't think it is one of the A. marmoratum types, as those are velvety and usually have whitish veins.

    Windy
     
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    Ahhh,

    I just remembered the name I was trying to come up with is Anthurium guildingii.

    Windy
     
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    I just realised Steve was talking about the pics on this thread. Perhaps the Xanth is post 4 pic 3??

    Ed
     
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    lorax Rising Contributor 10 Years

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    Ed- yup. That one was near Mindo.


    Windy - thank you for letting me know; I'll amend the post on the blog accordingly. You all know way more than me!
     
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    Windy knows MUCH more than I do!
     
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    Wow, I'm not so sure about that Steve. I'm just a grower, with absolutely no botanical education, except for what I have learned from experience and gleaned from others.

    There are still so many Anthuriums out there that haven't been ID by someone like Dr. Tom Croat, or have an unofficial name stuck on them.
    I'm also learning that some Anthuriums look very similar to one species, but turn out to be an entirely different species. A little confusing, yes, but then that's why we have erasers.

    If any of you Anthurium enthusiasts have Anthurium calense, it is now officially Anthurium recavum. I just learned this.

    I love the Anthurium family and do grow several. If I can be of any help, please don't hesitate to ask. I may not be as technical as some, but will happily share any experiences and info I might have.

    Here in Hawaii, we have a local Anthurium Club, but I am the oddball with my species. Everyone grows spectacular A. andreanum and A. amnicola hybrid types, with big beautifully colored spathes.
    Every month I drag a couple of species to the meeting for 'Show and Tell' and slowly my friends are starting to see that the foliage can be equally exciting....or they are just humoring me!

    Anyway, thanks for the kind words here,
    Windy
     
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    lorax Rising Contributor 10 Years

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    Here's a question - in looking about I find that Anthurium dolichostachyum is a synonym of Anthurium angamarcanum. So do I just have a weird, alternately named variety here? Because the leaf-blade style doesn't match well with A. cupulispathum. They don't have the red-brown tinge that is supposed to be reported, and it wasn't a leathery-textured leaf.

    And as it wasn't leathery, I doubt it was A. guildlingii either... Whatever it is, it is a mature specimen; it was growing as a terrestrial hemiepiphyte, twining up the support pillar of the orchidarium.
     
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    It is also a synonym of Anthurium balaoanum and several others. According to Dr. Croat Anthurium guildingii is found only in the Caribbean and not Ecuador. The specimen shown in the photo on this link is tiny by comparison to its current size.

    http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium balaoanum pc.html

    And Windy, you are too shy! Your knowledge is substantial and should be listened to!
     
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    Well, gee, looking at my plants, A. angarmarcanum has a completely different blade. It's velvety, and the plant grows leggy and likes to climb and wind about.

    Anthurium cupulispathum is different than A. angarmarcanum. Well, at least I think it is.

    Let me show you some images. I have images of Cupulispathum, Angarmarcanum, Guildingii, and Dolichostachyum. Of course these are cultivated plants not jungle plants, so maybe that could be a factor too.

    But look anyway, Cupulispathum has that red mark in the center of it's sinus. This plant of Cupulispathum is located at the Huntington Library's Conservatory, in Los Angeles, California.

    Oh crap! I can't figure out how to attach these images!

    Steve, can I send them to you and you attach them?
     
  17. lorax

    lorax Rising Contributor 10 Years

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    Or you could email them to me; Steve has my address.

    I find it humorous but also telling that we're arguing about a plant from one of the world's most variable genuses..... This said, I really want to know what that one is. If it means going back to the QBG, then I shall bear the burden lightly!
     
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    Windy asked me for a bit of help in posting these photos. All are copyright Windy Aubrey. And by the way, I've never seen her collection in person but I have sen a one hour video done by a person who visited her over two years ago. All I can say is INCREDIBLE! Makes my collection look like a beginner's!

    I'll let Windy explain the species.
     

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    I agree with windy on the velvet texture of Anthurium angamarcanum. That information came directly from the journals of Dr. Croat. This species is extremely variable but as far as I can read in Tom's work, they all have the velvet texture. Other species may well be involved, I just am not adequately informed to offer an opinion. But I do love these plants, velvet or not! It is often known as Anthurium marmoratum but according to Tom all are A. angamarcanum. There is one, which I now have a small specimen of and Windy has a much larger plant Dr. Croat is currently calling Anthurium marmoratum for research purposes. He believes that one is a unique species. That is the plant on my webpage which is entitled Anthurium marmoraturm.

    http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium marmoratum pc.html
     
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    OMG! I didn't think this was an argument! Only a discussion. I'm sorry I gave you that impression.....never mind anything I have responded to, I'll go back to my watering.

    Anyway, yes, there is much to be learned and many new species are constantly being discovered . For me, I guess that's what so enjoyable.

    I apologize if I have offended you or that you feel I was argumentative. I certainly did not mean to come off that way. I'm not an authority, by any means, and as a layman was only going on what I had in my collection and what I had learned and seen in others' collections.

    Thank you for supplying the jungle images, I have found them quite enjoyable!

    Steve, Thanks for the info on the Guildingii. I had no idea where it was native to, and have learned something new from this thread.

    Bye-bye,
    Windy
     
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    Windy, you and I have been friends long enough you know I highly respect what you tell me. I sometimes learn something different, but that is the nature of plant collecting. Since you've read some of my recent posts on Aroid l, you also know that a lot of people simply don't agree with everything either of us write. Beth is quite bright and makes keen observations and I really don't think she meant "argue". But together we are in this as collectors to learn. Well, at least you, Beth and a bunch of good people who write great posts on UBC and send me personal email are!
     
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    lorax Rising Contributor 10 Years

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    OMG I wasn't meaning to sound offended at all! I use "argue" in the Spanish sense - where it means "to discuss" not "to dispute." I'll have to check my English, I guess.

    Please continue to contribute - you know so much more than I do about this! I'm a complete neophyte.

    And if #3 in your series is A. guildingii, I take it back. That's nearly identical, leaf-blade-wise to the one in the QBG that is photo'd on my blog. Has it ever produced a spathe/spadix for you, and do you have pictures?
     
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    Photo number 1 in Windy's photos I posted is identical to the plant Dr. Croat identified as Anthurium balaoanum. I now have 5 specimens and the largest leaf is close to 2.5 feet (just less than a meter). Dr. Croat says it is common in Ecuador. But it grows much larger
     

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    lorax Rising Contributor 10 Years

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    I shall amend accordingly! But I was talking about Plant #3, DSCN 3592 (3).....
     
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    Thanks for posting the images Steve.

    I have trouble because two years my old laptop blew up. I had all the images I had on that computer transferred to my new laptop, so every time I try to pull up an older image with the 'Manage Attachment' button, offered here, the image won't come up. I can only link to newer images that are in my Windows Photo Gallery on this computer.

    The images in Steve's posting are (as sold to me or told to me): #1 A. guildingii, #2 A. dolichostachyum, #3 A. cupulispathum, #4 A. angamarcanum.


    Oh sure, here is some other images of A. cupulispathum with an inflorescence. Please note the color of spathe is pinkish-red, different than what Beth posted.
     

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