Well I still have not gotten a pic of those grapes. I spent the summer with my granddaughters and then had to get ready for school as I am in college a very non-traditional student of CJ. I have been very busy trying to finish so I can graduate in May. I think the grapes I was asking about are wild grapes they are green and small and the bugs and animals get to them before I can. The problem also is that they are along our road and get very dusty from traffic. I babied then cut them back and did all I could find I should have been doing then lifted them up and the bugs had eat all of the fruit and leaves under the leaves. Sorry I have taken so long to get back and it may be a while again as I am still in school till May. happy gardening, Debra