Yes HBL, Thats all very well but I remember how that aweful smilie period went. Also the forums are being closely moderated for off topics. Its all down to the first topic in the thread, we have to stick to that in future...smilies was not mentioned in the threads first post. Just trying to help everyone keep inline and out of trouble. Thanks Lorax, Its only since being here I even heard anyone ate the flowers they grew...interesting! I started some test seeds today in those pellet pots you have to wet then they magically grow before your eyes. Cape Daisy, Plumera, Blackberry Lily.