Please help ID this plant.

Discussion in 'Plants: Identification' started by WHeusner, Apr 13, 2004.

  1. WHeusner

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    This plant is growing in my lawn and I would like to determine if it is a weed or just a plant. It sprung up with the last month. Nonetheless I would like to get rid of it. Can anyone can provide some assistance.
     

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    snow drops (Galanthus)
     
  3. WHeusner

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    Thanks Ali

    Thanks for the info, I'll do a search on it to determine how to control the growth within my lawn. If you have any ideas or sites with info please let me know.
     
  4. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    To each their own, but I'm fairly confident in stating that I think many people would be envious of your lawn with snowdrops. They are described as "everyone's favourite bulb" or "plants of the month" (University of Tennessee). I suppose you are probably wanting to mow the lawn, though - continued mowing will eventually kill the plants. They will not regrow this year if you mow them, but a few may sprout again next year. Mow them again.
     
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    Don't know what to do?

    Daniel, now that I know about the plant I'm stuck on what to do. I want to grow them but I also want to have a nice lawn. I think that I"ll transplant a few bulbs and try to grow them in another pasrt of the lawn.
     
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    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    I think the decision has been made for you as those
    Snow Drops are bulbs and to eradicate them from
    your lawn will be more trouble and costly perhaps
    than you may want to deal with. A contact spray
    with a surfactant (sticker) to adhere to that thick
    super glossy cuticle is going to be a real challenge.
    Then you will need a spray that will be translocated
    down into that bulb also in order to kill it.

    I have a suggestion and that is leave them alone
    as those bulbs will be there longer than you will
    want to try to eradicate them. In a month or two
    the tops of the plants will probably brown out and
    die on their own and with a good lawn mowing it
    will seem like they were never there until next
    Spring if they are anything like our Welsh Onions
    - Allium triquetrum. I will gladly trade you plant
    for plant any day!

    Jim
     
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    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Just to clarify: I believe that mr. shep is talking in the theoretical about how to kill the bulbs in one season with "minimum" effort, if one thought wasting money and polluting their lawn was a good idea.

    To reiterate: There's no need to spray at all. All this will take is a little patience and time. Mow them down each spring and eventually the bulbs will die because their energy will have been spent producing leaves that is not returned to the bulb due to the leaves being mowed down. I personally would pursue something similar to what mr. shep suggests (leaving them and letting the grass grow until the leaves die back), but I get the feeling you'd like to have a lawn that is fairly manicured.

    I think transplanting a few is a good compromise - you still get to enjoy them, while having the lawn that you want. Or, you could do a blend of both - transplant some to (or leave them in) areas where it isn't as important that the lawn be manicured from early spring to fall, and only mow in those areas after the snowdrops die back.
     
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    Thanks Again

    Since I know have greater understanding of the plant, I also have a greater appreciation for it. I'll work out a compromise to keep it growing in some areas and mow in others. Thanks again for your responses.
     
  9. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    First off I was not advocating using a herbicide as I am not convinced a turf specialist
    will be able to find the right combination of chemicals to mesh in order to effectively
    spray this plant. Then again the diffident part I was alluding to was in the number of
    tries to get the right balance of chemicals to do the job and then the question of how
    many spray applications would it take to kill the tops as well as the bulbs. In my mind
    it would indeed be a waste of money, notwithstanding the fact that we may have to
    do the same thing allover the next year and perhaps the following year as well. The
    pollution aspect I completely agree with.

    Hyacinth growers in Holland will let the bulbs leaf out but as soon as the appearance
    of a blooming shoot develops the spike is pinched off in order to force the bulbs to
    become larger in size hoping to become a sellable size the next year. The "energy"
    will be created from the leaves and roots and placed into the bulb and the fact that
    the bulb did not have to expend any energy in order to bloom. The same process
    can and probably does happen with these bulbs also. Don't let the plants flower and
    the bulbs can increase in size. The way to control this bulb is to not let it leaf out.
    The best cultural control is to mow the plant as soon as the tops start to emerge in
    the Spring. In time the bulb will eventually exhaust itself trying to leaf out for the
    next season and probably the next so you are looking at roughly a three year process
    just to keep this plant under control in your lawn as it is too late for this year. Then,
    if this plant can reproduce itself by seed and it apparently can like our Welsh Onions
    do, then you will have this plant back in your lawn in no time if you have a planting
    of these bulbs anywhere near your lawn.

    Sorry I intruded in this thread.

    Jim
     
  10. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Jim,

    I know that you weren't advocating herbicides, but I thought that someone reading the first paragraph of your initial response could read it that way ("go to store, get spray that does x, y and z").

    The point that you made regarding the timing of leaf removal was an improvement over what I had said, and I don't think you intruded in the thread.
     
  11. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Hi Daniel:

    I felt like I did intrude in that in all practicality the guy
    only has two options, either live with the Snow Drops
    or culturally try to control them. There are no real "in
    betweens" if he wants to keep them out of his lawn.
    I referenced the Welsh Onions for a reason as I am in
    my fourth year trying to culturally eradicate them
    from my own lawn.

    I am "old school" in that many of our cultural practices
    50 years ago were some of the best methods to control
    unwanted pests. Being from an area that wrote the
    proverbial "book" on Integrated Pest Management, I
    have always played things to never use a pesticide unless
    it was absolutely necessary.

    The problem for all us is that a turf management specialist
    will, no less than 95% of the time in the US, use a herbicide
    spray as their quick fix remedy and few people ever say a
    negative word about it. I will come right out and say that I
    do not like herbicides at all for a variety of reasons. The
    other issue is that even when we come up with a viable
    cultural control people will still go ask their nurseryman
    what kind of spray can they use on their weed in their lawns.
    There is no doubt in my mind at all that this homeowner
    would have been advised to use a herbicide spray for the
    Snow Drops as opposed to any other possible control and
    you know that is probably true as well.

    Jim
     

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