what type of berry?

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  1. joejive

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    I found this while hiking in a canyon. It is apart of what appears to be a vine. It grew widespead in moist soil under partial shade.
     
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    togata57 Generous Contributor 10 Years

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    Solanum dulcamara. Poisonous!!!
     
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    And it looked so tasty! I'm glad I didn't eat it!
     
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    togata57 Generous Contributor 10 Years

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    Me too! Also known as Deadly Nightshade: related to the tomato.
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Nope, that's a different plant (Atropa belladonna), far more poisonous.

    Solanum dulcamara (Bittersweet) is only mildly poisonous - eating 2 or 3 berries wouldn't do anything worse than a slightly uncomfortable stomach, you'd have to eat a lot to suffer serious harm.
     
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    I can see how it is related to the tomato. When I crushed the fruit it smelled like a tomato and the interior was very similar to the tomato (lots of seeds in a fiberous viscous fluid).
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Tomato is Solanum lycopersicum: http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=SOLY2 - yep, closely related!

    People used to think tomatoes were also poisonous, by analogy of its relatives - shows that this is not very safe to predict! And tomato leaves are somewhat poisonous, it is only the fruit that is edibe.
     
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    togata57 Generous Contributor 10 Years

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    Forgive my faux pas. In future I will leave identification to my betters. ---I thought I WAS when I used the following book as a reference for the Latin name of this plant:

    Henn, Robert L.: Wildflowers of Ohio (Second Edition); 2008.

    On page 186, Bittersweet Nightshade (Solanum dulcamara) is depicted. Page 187 gives the description of same, including the following:

    "Comments. Perennial. Also known as Deadly Nightshade. The berries are poisonous. DO NOT EAT."

    So...how does one know when the information one is reading is accurate?
    Should I fire off a hot piece of mail in Mr. Henn's direction?
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Use more than one reference and compare the different versions.
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Solanum dulcamara is a European plant; unfortunately, there is a lot of erroneous information about European plants on your side of the Atlantic. Tip: look for sources of information written by people for whom the plant is a familiar native species, rather than a less familiar exotic.

    Some Solanum dulcamara information: http://ip30.eti.uva.nl/BIS/flora.php?selected=beschrijving&menuentry=soorten&id=3370
    Some Atropa belladonna information: http://ip30.eti.uva.nl/BIS/flora.php?selected=beschrijving&menuentry=soorten&id=3351
     
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    Thanks. Will do.
     

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