Identification: What cultivar is this?

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  1. dicky5ash

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    Can anyone identify this please? It was planted 25 years ago and is about 18feet tall.
     

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    ROEBUK Well-Known Member Maple Society

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    Ki hachijo
     
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    Thank you..much appreciated..never seen it in a nursery here in the uk...
    The “palm” not sure of the correct anatomical name ( ?) seems to make up the majority of the leave, with short stubby lobes..the tree you mention seems to have longer lobes..but I have no idea!

    I tried air layering it but it didn’t work!
     
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    Any other thoughts would be welcome..I’m not sure it is Ki Hachijo
     
  5. Luke’s Maples

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    Maybe Hogyoku? Do you have any pics of Autumn colour?
     
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    emery Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    My first thought was Hogyoku, but I think the leaves are too teethed for that. Not liking Ki hachijo either though. What's the mature form, and fall color?
     
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    Thanks Hogyoku is a good shout, closest I’ve ever seen before..same leave proportions and shiny finish, rather than mat. But there is a difference in the leaf serration as Emery says, Hogyoku seems to have finer, saw like, regular teeth.. I don’t have any autumn pics I’m afraid, it stays solid green most of season, then yellows in the Autumn, never red or orange to any extent. It’s always covered in helicopter seeds...
     
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    Thanks Emery..agreed..ever so very slightly different to Hogyoku for the reason you mentioned..tall upright form..typical P. Trunk and colour..it’s about 18foot now..solid green from spring to October, then yellows, never orange or red...totally plastered in helicopters....surprisingly, I’ve never seen a naturally germinated seedling..id like to propagated it as it’s not that common here in the UK..will need to dip my toe into the grafting world..air laying failed..but I only tried once
     
  9. emery

    emery Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    As chance would have it just ran across some fall pictures of 'Hogyoku'. This tree has verticillium and has lost some major side limbs, so the form is more upright than it used to be. But you can see the leaves aren't quite the same.

    Often impossible to ID a cultivar like this, but your leaf serrations may help!
     

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    Thanks Emery..a nice tree you have there..it’s very similar.
     

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