Western Redbud

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  1. Anne Kivari

    Anne Kivari Member

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    I'm looking for a source to purchase Cercis occidentalis trees/shrubs (Western Redbud). Does anyone know of a nursery in BC that has them?
     
  2. Margot

    Margot Generous Contributor 10 Years

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    Cercis occidentalis is not an uncommon tree in BC. Have you contacted any nurseries on Vancouver Island to enquire? For example, I know Dinter Nursery in Duncan is helpful in bringing in trees they do not have in stock and I'm sure many others do as well. What you need to do is contact various nurseries and ask.
     
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    Cercis occidentalis is not an uncommon tree in BC

    Really? Or might you be thinking of C. canadensis?
     
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    True. There are not many places in BC with climate warm enough for Western Redbud.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Grows in Seattle, where one at the Arboretum was over 23' tall in 2005. (And the Colvos Creek nursery used to grow it from seed on nearby Vashon Island). So the rareness of it in the general landscape this far north would appear to be due primarily to a lack of commercial prevalence.
     
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    C. canadensis is readily available in BC nurseries everywhere. It’s the C. occidentalis that is harder to find. I would like one as it would seem to fit what my garden can offer while also being native to the west coast. Bonus.
     
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    Hello @Polar - even though Cercis occidentalis is commonly referred to as Western Redbud, it is not native to BC or even particularly to the NA west coast.

    From Wikipedia: It is found across the American Southwest, from California to Utah and Arizona.
     
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    Yes, true. I keep thinking we’re ‘California’ as we can grow several things they can, especially when it comes to coastal properties. Indeed it won’t be found growing on the BC coast unless planted there….
     
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    Ok, now I’ve spent a bit of time reading more about C. occidentalis (syn. C. orbiculata Greene) on the forum and web.

    I can’t find any document that specifically says it grows on the coast. It seems to grow in all kinds of environments, from woodlands to dry, rocky foothills but no mention of coastal environments, as per:
    https://plants.usda.gov/DocumentLibrary/factsheet/pdf/fs_ceor9.pdf

    have you seen it growing in local gardens?

    It’s a tough plant, but can it do well with salt spray? Perhaps this is another plant I’ll leave off my dwindling list…
     
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    What exactly are the criteria you have in mind for your perfect tree? From what you have told us so far, you're looking for a tree that likes sun and tolerates salt spray . . . What about height, water requirements, soil requirements and so on?

    Have you ever looked at Great Plant Picks to see what they have on their lists? Great Plant Picks: Unbeatable Plants for the Maritime Northwest Garden
     
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    Hello all. I was the OP of this thread about Cercis occidentalis or Western Redbud. I understand that it is not native to the PNW but moreso native to drier habitats such as in California and Arizona. I am located in the Okanagan/Similkameen and wondered if this tree would survive in this dry, rocky area with winter protection. I know that Cercis canadensis struggles here. I hope this clears up the confusion about my original post. Thanks!
     
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    i am very familiar w the areas south of Peachland

    my first thought these days would be landscaping plants appropriate for FireSmart
    (EDIT to add video — I realize this is not the exact plant you enquire about)
    https://mobile.twitter.com/PFiresmart/status/1453467178963857408

    As a person who likes plants and nature (and at same time cautious of wildfire) - yes it’s hard to eliminate natural Oregon grape and amelanchier and Philadelphus (mock orange)

    and then be restrained when it comes to purpose plants — esp when one considers the water used on gardens and golf and lawns in BC
     
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    Here’s an older website —- perhaps worth contacting

    i think the mayor Toni Boot of Summerland is/was involved in a xeriscape nursery and would also have info about interface wildfire safety at their municipal offices. Likewise RDOS and Penticton FireSmart.

    There used to be a xeriscape garden at the former Research Station In Trout Creek below Summerland off Hwy97.

    Western Redbud - Okanagan Xeriscape Association
     
  15. Anne Kivari

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    Hi Georgia Straight. Those cedar hedges are everywhere here and we have one that circles our complex running about 500 feet in length. We are constantly cleaning up the dry dead leaves to reduce the fire hazard. This area could use far more deciduous trees to help lessen the spread of wildfire. That along with cleaning up the beetle kill and dead dry matter on the forest floors would be a step in the right direction. This is starting to take hold now.
     
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    Hello again. I taught fire safe gardening and landscaping to the Osoyoos FN years ago. I also ran a landscaping company in Penticton area for years before going to Nanaimo to teach Horticulture at VIU. I still design gardens here in this area since I retired and moved back here 3 years ago. Very familiar with all of the places you've suggested thanks!
     
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    We could certainly do with more FireSmart help in the suburbs of Penticton

    maybe one day when Meadowlark event is back
     
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    Yes!
    Can't wait for Meadowlark Festival to start up again! Are you one of the organizers?
     
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    long ago we volunteered and have also enjoyed taking various tours

    it is a beautiful time of year in Okanagan during meadowlark festival
    Home of the Meadowlark Nature Festival
     
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    Just my opinion -- I think western redbud would do well in the Okanagan given where I've seen it growing in California (and oh, how magnificent it is near Mt. Shasta at the right time of year).
     
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