Victoria Plum - Losing foliage

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  1. James Molloy

    James Molloy Member

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    I need some advise please, my elderly neighbour has a problem with a Victoria plum tree.
    The tree must be at least forty years old, up to now I don't believe it had been pruned or cut back to any great extent, it is over twenty feet tall.
    It had produced great crops of fruit up untill last year when one main bough did not produce any shoots or leaves, fruit did develop on the remainder of the tree but to a far lessor degree than previous years.
    This year the problem has spread to almost all of the plant with very little foliage appearing on any part of the tree. One side and the top of the plant are completely bare, the front has some growth but no fruit has developed at all.
    Earlier in the spring new shoots started to form on most of the tree but shorlty afterwards died back.
    At this point in mid-summer there is foliage on about a quarter of the plant and no fruit.
    Can anyone identify the problem, would cutting back the tree hard this autumn help to imporve the situation.
    Your advice would be much appreciated.
    Regards, James
     
  2. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Can you show us some photos of this tree?
    Do you see any gummosis (amber to clear
    sap deposits) in the main branches of the
    tree? Can you describe what the coloring
    and stages of leaves look like as they go
    from looking normal to their subsequent
    wilting and collapse?

    It seems like the tree has one of two or both
    types of a canker but I cannot be sure of it
    until I can see some photos of this tree.
    Did the fruit ever have small, round shaped
    dark brown to black colored, indented pock
    marks on them and were these blemishes
    widespread in the fruit before the tree went
    into this decline?

    Yes, a hard pruning back to and possibly up
    to a foot beyond the live wood will probably
    be imperative in attempt to save this tree. If
    the condition is what I suspect it may be, a
    pruning right now might be preferred rather
    than wait for the Autumn or a Winter pruning.

    Jim
     
  3. James Molloy

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    Jim,
    Thank you for your response. I have managed to get some pictures of the tree (they are not great quality but hopefully of some use). The fruit last year did have some dimples and dark coloured spots.
    More interesting though, this apparantly happened about 8 or 10 years ago aswell and the tree came back the following with more or less full foilage.
    Our climate here lends itself to blight conditions from time to time, I was wondering if this may have had an effect on the tree or another fungus.
    Thks, James
     

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  4. phelsuma

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    Has this tree been treated for anything? Looks like chemical burns, even soap/water mix could burn the tree. If not it might be a blight. I would recommend using a product called ultragrowth. It works extremely well. Take a look at some of the before and after pictures (http://www.ultragrowth.ca/treeInfo.htm).
     
  5. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Couple questions:

    1) Is what is pictured been your experience with the product?
    2) Are you at all affiliated with the company?

    I hope you don't mind my asking. I'm okay with testimonials on the garden's forums, but I need assurances that there is full disclosure.
     
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    I do not work for nor ever have for ultragrowth. It was recommended to me by Stan Thomson who is on 630 ched radio. I used it on one of my apple trees that had been burnt by chemicals applied to it. It turned around in 2-3 months and has never looked better. Just to let you know I am a meatcutter and none of my family etc works for any greenhouse nor garden product companies etc.

    "Stan Thomson grew up in the green house business. He was responsible for all horticulture activity for Edmonton Parks and Recreation, and original curator and manager for the Muttart Conservatory."
    You can ask for advice at his website http://www.whatsupstan.com/justask.html .
     
  7. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Hi James:

    The prognosis for this tree is not good.

    There are only two options. Either prune
    this tree severely and I mean severely back
    to normal looking green wood of which there
    may not be much left and then start spraying
    this tree about once a month starting right
    now, even before the major pruning, with a
    copper based fungicide such as copper sulfate.
    Then in the late Winter give this tree a good
    dose of a complete fertilizer such as 20-20-20
    at a rate of 5-6 pounds of a granular fertilizer
    sprinkled in a circle about 2 feet away from the
    trunk and water the fertilizer in well or this
    tree may have to be cut down and all of the
    wood burned. Either way I would burn all
    of the wood taken off this tree from the
    severe pruning.

    There is not a whole lot of live tree left due
    to the diseases that have hit. The cost factor
    to have someone come in and clean this tree
    up might be extreme and then there is no
    guarantee this tree will recover. I'd take the
    work on as a project just to see if I could save
    this tree but I am not hopeful. All I can do is
    suggest what should be done and hope for the
    best as I feel based on what I see that the tree
    may be too far gone to help it. I've dealt with
    an heirloom Plum that was almost this bad to
    start a reclamation project on but I was dealing
    with a disease I knew how to treat for and knew
    how to deal with that disease which is also rare
    to be seen on Plums grown here today. The
    remedy for this tree, if it can succeed at this
    stage will come from the Apple growers which
    also face this same disease seen on the leaves
    or one very much like it dilemma in cooler
    climates. The problem is I am seeing symptoms
    of three diseases not just one which makes the
    task of saving this tree much more difficult.
    If you can prune out all of the dead and diseased
    wood then do it right now after a good fungicide
    spraying first. I cannot recommend contacting
    a professional to come in and try to save this tree
    as it may be money wasted. This is a do it yourself
    project and hope for the best. You will also need
    to make a few more posts in these forums should
    you want to contact me via a UBC private message.
    I'll tell you then what diseases you are up against
    and one of them we have not seen since the 20's
    on European Plums grown here in the San Joaquin
    Valley.

    Jim
     

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