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Discussion in 'Plants: Identification' started by zhougong, Nov 19, 2012.
First one, Amaranthaceae?
The second one, tree with red leaves
I have never seen the first one, so I am curious too, to find out what it is! =)
The second one looks like Viburnum lucidum <Viburnum tinus lucidum> (100% if it has white cymose-corymb inflorescence)
Can't be that, as that isn't hardy in NY. But may be some other Viburnum.
It is hardy enough for Washington, DC zone 7 http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/. It can withstand temperatures down to - 15 C. It is a common practice to take a risk and "push the zone" a little.
But New York gets temperatures down to -26Â°C (Central Park; from wikipedia). It isn't going to survive that!
Also, the leaves on the plant here are a bit too narrow lanceolate for Viburnum tinus 'Lucidum' (compare e.g. here).
Compare with V. nudum.
I have seen V. lucidum in Parks and Gardens in Neuss, Germany (South from DÃ¼sseldorf) that is Latitude 51Âº12' North, which is as far north as Quebec City, Newfoundland, etc. =)
Lets not forget that a plant description is based on a type specimen and as it happens with us Humans, there are Tall, Small, Fat, Thin, etc. individuals. We might see some adaptations inside the same species. A great example, while studying at the University, was Pistacia lentiscus; Two specimens one in the coast the other in the mountain, hard to believe both are the same species. =)
The first link shows a small shrub adapted to coastline conditions:
Second link shows a tree alike shrub:
To be 100% we need to see the inflorescence, leaves are not enough. =)
What you say, Michael, is both true and untrue. You put it a little differently than Wikipedia.
Wikipedia says: "Extreme temperatures have ranged from −15 Â°F (−26Â°C), recorded on February 9, 1934 . . .".
What Wikipedia also says is that normally: "New York City experiences a humid subtropical climate"
"The average temperature in January, the area's coldest month, is 32.1 Â°F (0.1Â°C). However, temperatures in winter could for a few days be as low as 10 Â°F (−12Â°C)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City.
In the light of this information Viburnum tinus lucidum is perfectly hardy in New York city.
interesting plant - thanks for posting
But a lot milder than New York in winter, because of the oceanic influence on the climate of NW Europe. Even milder still if you go to the Faroe Islands (60Â°N) ;-)
But if it is a clonally-reproduced cultivar (as the references I found suggest), then it will be more consistent in leaf shape.
I'd support Ron B on V. nudum, as that matches the leaf shape better and is a local native species in the area concerned, so rather more likely than an introduction from the Mediterranean.
The forb sort of reminds me of Dalea, but that seems like a really long inflorescence...
Laurustinus surviving New York for long is not likely, in addition to the winters being too cold it would not be expected to appreciate the Amazonian summers.
Leaves represent 1/4 of the clasification process, which is not enough to identify a species. As I first said on this thread "it looks like" because it reminded of a plant I have worked with, but to be 100% certain flowers will be the key =)
That is a good point! =) Keyword: Microclimates
I am not supporting either V. nudum, V. lucidum or even another species until a flower is shown. =)
Here V. nudum flowers:
To compare with V. lucidum flowers:
and even more sorts of viburnum:
Dalea albifora photos
but agree with you, the inflorescence is a bit long (which is exactly why it interests me...)
Agree. Looks like Dalea after the seeds have been stripped off (or have fallen)