Twins?

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  1. katsura

    katsura Active Member 10 Years

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    Can a Japanese maple samara contain 2 embryoes like human fraternal twins?
    Or can 1 samara produce 2 maples like human identical twins?
    The reason I ask is it appears that 1 Boskoop Glory samara
    I planted 10/2/07 has produced 2 separate seedlings entwined together
    with separate roots. Normally I would assume 2 separate seeds fell together when
    I hand planted but this samara was not de-winged and it is highly unlikely I planted
    2 intact samaras together because I watch carefully to prevent this and because
    Boskoop winged samaras are not tiny like say a Butterfly samara. It is not uncommon
    for 2 seedlings to come up entwined together in my planting experience but I always
    assume I planted 2 seeds together, but in this Boskoop case I very very much
    doubt I planted 2 separate seeds?
    Any thoughts please?
     
  2. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    The simple answer is yes, that some Japanese
    Maple seeds can be polyembrionic at times.
    Much of the time it is not a condition that
    runs throughout the plant in that all seeds
    from the Maple that yielded a polyembrionic
    seed will throw out a high percentage of
    polyembrionic seeds like some Citrus can
    and will. Even then, some of the Citrus seeds
    from that high percentage polyembrionic
    parent plant will throw out seeds that are not
    polyembrionic themselves. The test is to see
    if the trait carries on to the individuals raised
    from the polyembrionic Maple. Take those
    two plants and grow them on and wait for
    them to yield seed and then monitor how
    many of those seedlings are polyembrionic.
    A case in point is that in years past a certain
    Suminagashi I know of would throw out some
    seed that would yield two offspring from the
    seed on occasion but the frequency that it
    would yield two individuals per single seed
    was less than 5% in a given year. The trait
    was carried on for even less of a percentage
    when those seedling plants became seed
    bearing parents themselves. In other words
    take it in stride but do not count on seeing
    it happen all too frequently.

    Jim
     
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    katsura Active Member 10 Years

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    thank you, Jim, for sharing your knowledge. much appreciate it
     
  4. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    I forgot to mention that one embryo can
    yield two individuals. This does not mean
    that the seed was polyembrionic. Usually
    the lesser individual from such an event
    dies out before it can emerge from the
    ground. Also, when both individuals
    do live this does not mean they will be
    identical twins in the sense that they
    are the same in appearance. They can
    be different. As told to me, there was
    a variant, green leafed, Bloodgood that
    was purported to have come about in
    this same manner from a single embryo.

    Jim
     

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