Trifolium or not? :)

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  1. Lila Pereszke

    Lila Pereszke Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Please help me! Is this plant a Trifolium?
     

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    Robert Flogaus-Faust Active Member 10 Years

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    The plant with the red flowers is certainly a real clover (Trifolium sp.) even though only a few small or damaged leaves of this plant might be visible and lots of other leaves. It might even be Trifolium pratense but I haven't got a proper flora of your area and there are some doubts especially because of the "missing" leaves.
     
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    Lila Pereszke Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Thank you, for your help! But I think, it's not a T. pratense. :( The plant was not in "my area", it was in "your area"! In Germany! :) That's why we had some problems with this Trifolium in the hungarian "What is this plant?" topic... we don't know the german mountain flora as yet... :(

    Sorry, for my english... :)
     
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    Robert Flogaus-Faust Active Member 10 Years

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    I'd be glad if you could tell me why exactly your clover plants are supposed to be different from Trifolium pratense. Unless the flowering heads were unusually small there is very little choice for a plant like this in Germany. Trifolium hybridum usually has different flowers (mostly white or white mottled with red or pink; see e. g. http://www.flogaus-faust.de/e/trifhyb0.htm) and the habitat would be rather odd. Trifolium medium (see e. g. http://www.flogaus-faust.de/e/trifmed0.htm) might be possible but its flowers are usually darker red and its leaflets are oblong elliptical whereas those of Trifolium pratense have a tendency to be ovate. So it is also unlikely. If the round leaflets near the flowers are in fact leaflets of the blooming clover then it can be safely excluded. Your plant does not look at all like Trifolium alpestre (with even more slender, lanceolate leaflets). So that's it. You might still think about Trifolium pratense ssp. nivale if your picture is from the Alps, if the stems were densely covered with spreading hairs, especially if there were some similar specimens near to your plants which were whitish pink or yellowish. But Trifolium pratense (which is rather variable) is the most likely species and T. pratense ssp. pratense quite possible.
     
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    Lila Pereszke Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Hmmm... O.K., it could be a T. pratense ssp.! :)
    In Hungary are about 30 Trifolium species. Including T. pratense too, which is a vulgar plant here... but when I saw this photo, I thought that this plant is not like those Trifoliums, I have seen before.
    But you are right, it could be a T. pratense ssp. ... Probably ssp. nivale, because it's from the Alps. (And because I've never seen a ssp. nivale as yet... :)

    Thank you again!
     

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