Separate names with a comma.
Discussion in 'Forum Announcements and Feedback' started by Daniel Mosquin, Sep 29, 2005.
I've removed or merged a few forums. Simplify, simplify, simplify.
This is not so much of a gripe but the numbers below
seem to dictate a small bit of oversight in regards to
the importance of one past UBC Forum of the Month
that has been denigrated into currently a much less
popular forum header.
Here are the numbers: Number of threads on the left
with the number of posts on the right.
Fruit Trees 224 899
Grapes 98 310
Fruits & Vegetables 94 323
total 416 1532
I think the numbers above speak for themselves.
It can be argued that a Citrus forum could have been
established to coincide with the Fruit Tree and Grape
forums considering the number of varied responders
that have been posting in some Citrus related threads.
There are two Citrus threads in particular that have to
be close to setting a record in the greater UBC forum
for the number of posts in a thread.
Please let me know if the table is all messed up.
Not sure how I will fix it as I could not use a "pre"
tag instead to place the numbers right where I
wanted them to go.
Fruit Trees 224 899
Grapes 98 310
Fruits & Vegetables 94 323
total 416 1532
If I can figure out a better way to organize the display of the forums, I guarantee Fruit Trees will return to its "top-level" status, perhaps along with a Citrus sub-forum. Right now that middle section of forums is huge - I'm thinking of chopping it up a bit.
Still a work in progress!
With some forums there may not be a steady involvement
as interest may seem sporadic for a while yet some of
those forums may become popular at some point in
time later. I would not welcome trying to ascertain
or envision ahead which forums have the potential to
become popular later. I can see forums now that I
just have to shake my head in wonderment why they
are not flourishing in popularity as it is. There are
some forums that will be more popular for people
that are more local to the UBC than here for example
but that does not mean that people from here do not
have an interest in those plants i.e. Rhododendrons,
not so much Azaleas however.
It can be tough to try to explain details of a plant that
we have grown for many years here and then learn that
others including professionals and even some educators
are essentially beginners with these plants in their home
areas. I have felt and still feel that someone from Canada
should be addressing some of the issues that others have
had with their Fruit Trees grown in Canada as those trees
in many cases are a different animal than the ones grown
here for example.
I do think for the long term that an all inclusive Gardening
forum may be necessary. The gardening forum can entail
a new to gardening sub-forum, a vegetable and fruit
sub-forums as well as an intermediate and perhaps an
advanced sub-forum whereby we might be able to invite
Master Gardeners from various locations to come in and
help out. Even a nursery forum may be in the offing later
but I suggest that forum be restricted only to members of
the UBC forum. There is the risk of commercialization
that I really worried about a while back but there are times
that naming a nursery such as Monrovia or an online auction
host like eBay should be named. I was not the person to set
the precedent for these names to come out into the open I
might add. I went to extra lengths at times not to mention
any commercial entity by name but how could we have
prevented it from happening? All we can do is keep that
information pertinent and even then I have some reservations
of people becoming involved in a forum that have an agenda
to sell plants, even perhaps a unregistered person in the
Maple forum and that I would not ever let happen. If
Mountain Maples wants to involve themselves in the Maple
forum then by all means ask Nancy to come back in as I will
be glad to see her involvement but a nursery we do not know
or a nursery without a track record cannot be permitted to
openly pronounce themselves ready and available to sell
plants and I believe something similar has happened in here
already. It might be a different story if they were members
but still their end game will be figured out by most people
but not all and therein is the main issue in that they've used
the UBC forums as their portal to try to sell plants to people
that may be a little too naive for their own good. We've seen
enough naivete of buying already just in the Maple forum.
Daniel, I think a Fruit Trees forum can stand on its own.
I think the Grape forum can as well as I see much of the
interest in that forum coming from mostly Canadians and
that I might add is real nice to see. There has been some
real and genuine interest in Citrus which delights me to
no end. I think there will be interest there for quite a
while, especially when some cultural problems start
showing up but I must admit I am real proud of some
of those Citrus aficionados for doing a lot of their
homework as they are going along, even before they
bought their plants. Impressive is the best word for
Do we trim down the forums now or do we let the
more popular forums stay as they are? No matter
which way you turn there will be almost the same
amount of work involved. Welcome to how it
was for some of us that lived and breathed Maples
for a number of years. Do we separate out the
green dissectums and the palmate atropurpureums
or do we lump them all together? I might add that
our separating them out has led to some real long
term problems in which there unfortunately are
no good solutions for, it is too widespread now.
Still, these forums are going to grow at a steady
pace I would think. I agree it will be tough to
slow down the runaway train but I think with the
idea of having a moderator for the more popular
forums that a lot of the time element involved
in determining which e-mail questions to post
and which ones not to can be handled by people
that have an interest in that forum. Get someone
like Junglekeeper or the likes to moderate the
Citrus forum and then you will have the help you
need but as time passes by there may be more
e-mails to come in. Personally, I would not allow
the e-mails to come in at all, I'd block them but
that is not my decision to make. The hardest part
is finding someone that will want to become a
moderator that has the free time to do it. We
may not get our first choice of whom we would
like to have do it but we cannot at the same time
frown upon or yell and scream at someone that is
willing and able to be the host either. The time
is not right to be extremely selective in that regard
but we do need some assurance that the person is
willing to keep the best interests of the UBC in
mind at all times. Kinda rules me out as I have
some rather pointed views to make to some of the
people involved in the Botanical Garden and
elsewhere that are listed in the "View Forum
Leaders" section. I'd like to know why many of
those people have not been supportive of their
own forum. Why have they not been posting and
is it that they do not care about plants or do not
care about the current members of the UBC forum?
There are too many names listed that just seem
completely uninterested in the realm of plants in
this forum and I wonder why that is. It is not like
there are not members that are every bit as qualified
in plants than any of them are. It is sheer lunacy to
think that they are "better" than the rest of us if that
is what their thinking is.
Enough of that.
I did not call for action, nor did I call for an explanation
of why the Fruit Tree forum had been displaced but I
think that forum will become much more influential
on the internet as time goes by. Perhaps in time we may
even figure out the right pollinizer for a Pembina Plum
or a Grenville Plum which has evaded many a university
researcher so far to date. All it takes is people wanting
to know and will work on getting an answer for their own
question and help others in the process to achieve logical
answers to some of their questions. Involvement and
initiative are the keys in this forum to success.
Jim, all UBC staff members are members of the forums because we use the forum software for our own internal documentation. As an example, we have a forum for "Library Books - Wanted", or perhaps more interesting, "Travel Reports". When a staff member posts to the travel reports forum, an email-list's forum subscription sends out an email to all staff informing them that a new report is up and archived, which they can then view at their leisure.
I'm somewhat constrained from asking the horticultural staff to participate in the public forums, as replying to public enquiries is only a very small part of their job descriptions. Any expectation of going beyond the job description would become a matter for resolution under the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) between the union and the university.
We have also lost a management/professional position this past year due to having to meet a particular budget (the education coordinator), so assumption of some of that position's duties have been offloaded to others, putting more of a strain on some of the UBC staff who are not bound by the CBA.
I believe the phrase that encapsulates it is: "Running to Stand Still"