I was talking about the situation in Indonesia man and sure the situation on Indonesian people. And people here are talking about the Anthurium riot in Indonesia. Whatever you call it or identify it as scientist or a doctor. If it's thick, round firm leave with muscular leave thews it will called Jenmanii here, for thing you maybe called it really Jenmanii or blonpandii. If it's come to Indonesia, species or hybrids those will depend on the seller how to name it. Believe me, it will start with the word 'Jenmanii.... bla bla bla'. Just another Jenmanii. A pompous fools ?. Fine. The name is just a name. We have our version about the rares. The similar rare version as yours may be Reflexynervium, Superboom, Veitchii or Mancuneinse. I heard the information that my countrymen going to do a tissue ... to breed and multiply those speciments. Do this scare you as a rare plant lover ?. Is that the way you love a plant ?. It's because that there are just a few more in this world and there are just a a few people that have this speciments ??. In the next 16-20 years to come all of those hybrids are going to be species if we keep do the cross pollination among the best breeds until F8. Isn't it an enrichment ?. I love being here. To collect any information, the best ways to grow my own foliage Anthurium. I don't have any purpose to interfere or irritate people or more to be an arogant. I just wished to share any information I know about Indonesia as a native Indonesian in my very limited English. I will welcome you and other friends here if having any question about the Anthos situation in Indonesia. Fell free to email me private.