The 2 Acer palmatum Muro gawa

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  1. Andre

    Andre Active Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    On page 156 of "Maples for garden", Acer palmatum Muro Gawa is said to belong to group 3a (green matsumurae) but Vertrees places it in the Palmatum group.

    When I look at the pictures here :
    http://www.esveld.nl/htmldia/a/ex/acpmur.htm
    there is 3 pics and the third one is very different from the 2 first.

    It seems that there is an "English" 'Muro gawa' as well as an "American" 'Muro gawa' .
    Unfortunately the Japanese reference book by Yano does not mention 'Muro gawa' so it is difficult to make out which of the two is correct.

    Does anybody has an idea ?

    Thank you
     
  2. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    First let's get the common name spelling down.
    It is Murogawa - one word. The third edition
    Japanese Maples book is Vertrees/Gregory
    and was not solely written by Mr. Vertrees
    as some of the content was indeed added in
    after J.D. had been deceased. Mr. Vertrees
    and leading others in Japan spelled the name
    Murogawa. If we are to use Mr. Vertrees
    manuscript as a basis then we should follow
    the spelling convention that was supplied for
    him by a consortium of people in Japan and
    in the US. If the Europeans and some people
    in Japan choose to be different then they owe
    us an explanation as to why they choose to
    make up their own common name spellings
    of a host of Maples that originally came
    to them from venerable sources in Japan.

    Not all of the photos in the Esveld web site
    are right for the Maple as shown. That is more
    due to them trying to provide a whole lot of photos
    of Maples and some photos can get intermixed
    in the wrong Maple heading. In the past we called
    that "growing pains" online. Trying to do too much
    all at once and we can make some mistakes every
    now and then.

    I thought Murogawa is an amoenum.

    Jim
     
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  3. Andre

    Andre Active Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    In fact, I have sent an email to Cor Van Gelderen (the author of "Maples for garden") and he is the one who gave me these information about the english and american "murogawa". That's why they have post the 2 types of pictures on their website.

    What reference make you think Murogawa is an amoenum ?
     
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  4. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Here is a quick reference to Murogawa as being
    an amoenum

    http://ganshuku.cool.ne.jp/23_3engei_m.html

    Let me direct you to page 292 of the Maples of the
    World
    book, my edition must be the 1995 reprinted
    version and what do we see but Murogawa listed as
    one word. The description as stated in the book is
    accurate for the Maple I know.

    Jim
     

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