Identification: SODIROI ID

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  1. Greenbee07

    Greenbee07 New Member

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    Hello everyone,
    I am hoping that someone can confirm the type of philodendron this is. See photos. I purchased it online as a sodiroi. I am no expert and would like your thoughts. This plant looks more like a hybrid to me. Perhaps a cross with verrucosum.

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    Thanks inadvance
     

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  2. Tom Hulse

    Tom Hulse Active Member 10 Years

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    Hi, welcome to the forum. Your plant looks very typical for what is being commonly sold as Philodendron sodiroi. Here are some examples. You can see there is a very wide variation in leaf morphology for these. Are there any specific features that make you wonder if it's a hybrid?

    It appears the taxonomy on these either isn't fully worked out or not widely known. Philodendron sodiroi does not seem to be an accepted species name. Nurseries often list it as a synonym of Philodendron ornatum, but it seems the taxonomy authorities haven't caught up with that yet. It does seem to me they are the same plant. You can probably find more information about yours by searching under Philodendron ornatum, which is a widely accepted species name.

    Btw, nice plant! Do you mind if I ask where it came from and if you were pleased with your order? :)
     
  3. Greenbee07

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    Hello Tom,

    Thank you for responding. I am not 100% on the petiole or the leaf blad. They seem to be close. I was told that it's a p mamei. It look similar to my mamei but not 100%. The petiole are definitely not the same.

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    Thanks for the info:)

    I purchased my sodiroi from glasshouseworks they are not the best at communication and you pre pay for the plants and have to wait a very long time. The price was good and if you don't mind waiting it's worth it.
     

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    Okay after more research I think I have have a brandtianum and not a sodiroi at all. Any thoughts?

    Now I don't know about my mamei my not be a mamei.
     
  5. Tom Hulse

    Tom Hulse Active Member 10 Years

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    Hmm, I'm not sure I see that. I thought Philodendron brandtianum usually keep putting out their small leaves longer, and exhibit more of climbing habit earlier with shorter petioles. Often they're sold in hanging baskets they can climb up or hang down from, and you see them trying to climb up themselves right from the start without even any support. It's hard to see the scale of your plant, and the internodal spacing from just these pictures, but they sure do seem like one of the slightly bigger-leaved Philodendrons with longer petioles that typically spend more time creeping on forest floor before they climb up. Also the back of your leaves seem to have the much more prominent veins when still young, like you would expect in Philodendron sodiroi or ventricossum. What features led you to thinking brandtianum?
    Aroids like these have so much variation in their leaf forms that it's almost impossible to solidly identify juvenile plants. You really have to trust the seller who has many of these, has seen them in a more mature form, and grows several very similar species. I know Glasshouse Works cares a little more than most about getting the name correct, so I would go with their label as a 95% probability until you get solid proof otherwise. Beware of amateurs like the one who told you mamei, or me! :) :)
     
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    I find that it's very confusing to find the difference between sodiroi, plowmaie, mamei, and branditanum.

    I was told branditanum by a friend. But agree with you that the leaves are big (the size of a water can) and the petioles is very long. See photos my understanding is the branditanum has all green and smooth petioles. This plant has that.

    My understanding about sodiroi is that the petioles should be red and warty not green and smooth.

    I appreciate your help:) you seem to be very knowledgeable about this subject :)

    I really like this plant and enjoy growing Philodendrons :)
     

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