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  1. wcutler

    wcutler Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    The Shaughnessy neighbourhood runs from Oak to Arbutus/Maple/Linden/West Blvd, 16th Ave to 41st.
    VCBF Cherry Scout Alex Wang reports Whitcombs and Accolades in this area.
    [FONT=微軟正黑體]Time: Mar-09 10 AM[/FONT]
    [FONT=微軟正黑體]Location: Angus Dr. , Angus Park[/FONT]
    [FONT=微軟正黑體]Blossom: Accolades just start-up
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    [FONT=微軟正黑體]Time: Mar-09 09:45 AM[/FONT]
    [FONT=微軟正黑體]Location: Marguerite St. East side(Shaughnessy Elementary School)[/FONT]
    [FONT=微軟正黑體]Blossom: Whitcom, about 15%
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    * Finished - Prunus pendula and 29 others - VanDusen Botanical Garden

    Area: #12, Shaughnessy
    Time: 2008-Mar-18 around 15:30
    Location: Van-Dusen Garden
    Blossom: Not yet, coming soon
    Photo: 5 pcs
     

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    * Finished - Accolade - Shaughnessy, Marguerite from King Edward to 28th

    Area: #12 Shaughnessy
    Time: 2008-Mar-18, around 16:00
    Location: Marguerite St.(Shaughness School)
    Blossom: East side-Whitcomb, almost full bloom
    West side- Accolade, Just start
    Photo: East 080318_06~08
    West 080318-09~12
     

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    Cherry Scout Report:Area #12, Date_08-Mar-19

    Area: #12 Shaughnessy
    Location: Angus Park, Angus Dr.
    Time: 2008-Mar-18 around 16:40
    Blosson: Accolade, around 20%
    Photo: 080318-15~17 & 080309-7(dated Mar/09)
     

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    Thank you Alex, now I know the difference between Accolade and Whitcomb
     
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    wcutler Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    Accolade - Shaughnessy

    This group of Accolades is on the west side of Marguerite St, running from King Edward to 28th Ave.
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    Pendula and 29 others - VanDusen Botanical Garden

    The Pendula at VanDusen should be blooming in late March. The other VanDusen cherries will also be reported here. [Edited by wcutler May 9, 2008: Actually, it turned out that other cherries were reported in the Shaughnessy Neighbourhood Blog]
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    Re: Pendula and 29 others - VanDusen Botanical Garden

    There isn't a cherry called simply "pendula", except for the wild species Prunus pendula, not in commerce to any significant degree and seen nowadays down here as scattered large specimens on older properties - plantings less than multiple decades old will consist almost entirely if not strictly of its cultivars, long widely listed as forms of P. x subhirtella (and which one or two may actually be). If you are going to start reporting and recording these it would of course be preferable to make some effort to sort them out, as is being done with the 'Autumnalis Rosea', the 'Accolade' and so on. Weeping cherries seen in Seattle (outside of the arboretum) are

    P. pendula
    P. pendula 'Pendula Plena Rosea'
    P. pendula 'Pendula Rubra'
    P. Snow Fountains = 'Snofozam'
    P. yedoensis f. perpendens

    The folks who brought us Snow Fountains = 'Snofozam', Lake County nursery recently came out with a new pink weeping cherry so that may eventually appear in Vancouver. So far it has not yet appeared on their web site.
     
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    Re: Pendula and 29 others - VanDusen Botanical Garden

    Thanks for the advice.
    Next time will take a photo of the name-tag on the cherry.

    In my Report, I DID NOT indicate the name of those cherry,
    just said "Blossom: Not yet, coming soon".
    From my memory, the Garden's tag is "Weeping Higan Cherry",
    Also from memory of last year, the flowers are quite similar to a picture
    I have of Prunus pendula 'Pendula'.
     
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  10. Douglas Justice

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    Re: Pendula and 29 others - VanDusen Botanical Garden

    I've said it before elsewhere on the forums, and I'll say it again. I think that the weeping cultivar of Prunus pendula at VanDusen Garden and around the Vancouver area is 'Beni Shidare'. This is locally known as P. pendula 'Pendula Rubra', but I think Kuitert (Japanese Flowering Cherries, Timber Press) has it right: the cultivar has been around in Japan for longer than it's been in the West, so the original legitimate name (i.e., the Japanese name) should be the correct one. Similarly, the common P. pendula double-flowered cultivar, which is known locally as P. pendula 'Pendula Plena Rosea' should be called 'Yae Beni Shidare' for the same reason.

    Nevertheless, I'd be very interested if anyone can show me that these are not the correct assignations. I'd also be grateful if someone can direct me to a Prunus 'Snofozam' (Snow Fountains TM) locally.
     
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    Re: Pendula and 29 others - VanDusen Botanical Garden

    My recent post on this topic elsewhere on one of these cherry scouting threads would be the same thing I would put here at this point so I won't duplicate it all here - and can't tell if it is being rebutted by Douglas here or hasn't been seen yet. I have not studied these enough to have my own opinion, D. has Jacobson's book where he can see names used by Kuitert listed as synonyms by J. And as I mentioned in my other post K. appears to be using at least one of them ('Beni-shidare') as a group name rather than for a clonal cultivar.
     
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    Re: Prunus pendula and 29 others - VanDusen Botanical Garden

    Scout Report 2008-03-23

    Area: Area #12 Shaughnessy, VanDusen Garden
    Time: Mar-23, around 15:30 Cloudy & Drizzle
    Blossom: Weeping Higan Cherry(Pendula Rosea), Not yet
    Photo: 5 pcs
     

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    Scout Report 2008-03-31
    This is a follow-up report of development, almost 2 weeks past, but still waiting....
    Photo #2 is the main spot for April-03 Sakura Day.

    Area: #12 Shaughnessy, VanDusen Garden
    Time: March-31, around 11:30, sunny
    Blossom: Weeping Higan Cherry, coming soon
    Photo: 5 pcs
     

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    Re: Accolade - Shaughnessy, Marguerite from King Edward to 28th

    There are several not that large Accolades on the block from King Edward to Nanton. I didn't notice any on the other blocks up to 28th.
     

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    Scout Report 2008-April-04

    Sakura Day on April-03.

    Area: #12 Shaughnessy, VanDusen Garden
    Time: Apr-03, around 11:30, Sunny
    Blossom; Weeping Higan Cherry; May start-up from today if sunny
    Photo: 3 pcs
     

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    If you want to see the Spire cherries, these ones just locate by the VanDusen Garden on Oak Street at the back alley of West 33 Ave.

    WE will expect to see one Sargent and two Akebono nearby and 6 Kanzan in the volunteer garden.
     

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    The weeping Higan are blooming, if you attended the Haiku Garden on April 2 or Sakura Day on April 3.

    Our founding director, Linda Poole, talked to students happily on the Haiku Garden Day, and the former Lieutenant Governor, Dr. David Lam, spoke to people at his own named garden on the Sakura Day.
     

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    Scout Report 2008-April-10

    Cherry is ready for you, don't miss it !

    Area: #12 Shaughnessy, VanDusen Garden, Dr. Lam Grove
    Time: April-09, around 5:00 PM, sunny/cloudy
    Blossom: Weeping Higan Cherry, 1/4 ~ 1/3 full bloom
    Photo: 5
     

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    Scout Report, 2008-April-10

    Area: #12 shaughnessy
    Location: On Oak St, by the fence of VanDusen Garden, closed to 33rd St.
    Time: Apr-09, around 6:00 pm
    Blossom: Spire Cherry, 1/3~1/2 full bloom
    Photo: 4

    [edited by wcutler 20090713: from discussion with Douglas Justice - we're going with Yama-zakura, Japanese mountain cherry, Prunus serrulata var. spontanea. We're certain that the sign is wrong, a little less certain that they're Yama-zakura, but that's more likely than Spire as an ID for these trees.]
     

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    Re: Prunus pendula and 29 others - VanDusen Botanical Garden

    Saw the new Pink Snow Showers (introduced by Lake County nursery) at a local outlet today and it looks utterly the same as the existing common clone with early medium pink flowers on hairy stalks (shown in last photo, above). It was even blooming ahead of the other recently potted bare-rooted cherries (double pink, Snow Fountains) right in the same block - so that behavior would perhaps be the same as the existing one - if it does bloom consistently ahead of the other common weepers - as well as the appearance of the flowers.
     
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    Scout Report 2008-April-12

    Compared with 3 days ago, the cherry is more gorgeous, especially in the newly
    opened Dr.Lam Cherry Grove.

    Area: #12 Shaughnessy, Van Dusen Garden
    Location: Dr.Lam Cherry Grove
    Time: April-12, 10:30 sunny
    Blossom: Weeping Hign Cherry, 1/3 ~ 1/2 Full Bloom
    Photo: 6
     

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    Sargent tree in bloom VanDusen Gardens, Autumn Stroll Walk, April 18, 2008
     

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    Jo-nioi Cherry Tree in bloom at VanDusen Gardens, Rhododendron Walk, April 18, 2008. [Edited by wcutler 2011jun06: Douglas Justice believes this to be Yama-zakura. VanDusen has not yet relabelled it, as we were not able to clearly identify the tree in question and have decided to wait until next blooming season]
     

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    Are the broadish, coppery young leaves of this specimen consistent with others so-called on this web site?
     
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    The name Jo-nioi was on the label at the foot of the tree in the VanDusen Botanical Garden.
     

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