Please Identify 9a Tex Bushy, Leathery, dense

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  1. bart

    bart New Member

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    This is dense. Its leaves are leathery, have stayed green (NONE have turned yellow and fallen) they feel slightly hairy. the leaf stems are thick but concave. its a year old, no flowers.. just leaves. It appears to start new plant suckers. the leaves are on a long stem, but theres so many its hard to see the main stem. they dont have any scent really. ive neglected the hell out of them. the seed was sent to me. its growing in 9a texas clay based garden. with new wood based mulchy garden mix.
     

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    Acerholic Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout Maple Society

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    Good evening and welcome to the forum. IMO it is Geranium macrorrhizum or known as Big foot geranium.
     
  3. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    That plant is quite noticeably aromatic and the leaves have different lobing, are not glossy.
     
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    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    We may need to wait until flowers to have a better idea.
     
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    wcutler Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    I agree with Daniel - it will be so much easier to see flowers.
    Is there a main stem? I'm looking at Sanguinaria, Sanguinaria - Wikipedia, even though the species name is canadensis, it does grow in the eastern US, and you didn't say where the seeds were sent from. Any evidence of "a reddish rhizome with bright orange sap that grows at or slightly below the soil surface"?
    For later, maybe we could have a better photo of the leaf undersides.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Leaves of that one significantly different in construction and not borne in a tuft of many springing from a common base.
     
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    wcutler Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    So that one at the upper right is the same? I wasn't convinced of that. Thanks.
     
  8. bart

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    Thanks for the replies guys. To answer you, The Geranium does look the closest reco. as of yet. But the leaf, stem, and roots are almost scentless. It was sold to me, as Mothers Wort. One of two variety a L.Cardiaca and L.Sibericus. It has no scent of mint whatsoever. The roots were white, off white. Fairly dense, with a couple leaders (with roots on them as well). The underside of the leaf is a slightly lighter color. Maybe center stem isnt a good way of putting it, all those leave come from a central thing. And are extremely difficult to pull out. I thought i might harm it, or pull it out of the ground, Thats how well attached the stems are.

    I can take additional images, or videos, if anyone needs. Or if there is a place i can send these pics. I have yet to find anyone who can identify it.

    i appreciate the effort guys.
     
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    wcutler Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    Well, the "L." is what you were looking for - Leonuris cardiaca, common name Motherwort.
    I'm feeling like you set up a quiz for us, when you had information you weren't giving us.
    In the Lamiaceae family, not related to geranium. I didn't pick up on the square stems - that's what we're seeing in the photos? The leaves at the base of the plant, what we're seeing here, are a different shape to those on the flower stalks.
     
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    Silver surfer Contributor 10 Years

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    OK think we can rule out Leonurus cardiaca...common name motherwort.
    Leonurus cardiaca leaf - Google Search

    It looks so familiar.
    No flower, very vigorous...possibly a thug?
    Wonder if it could be the thug, spring flowering Petasites frigidus var palmatus...common name Arctic butterbur?
    Is deliriously happy in wet ground

    Petasites frigidus var palmatus - Google Search

    PETASITES  FRIGIDUS var  PALMATUS 26-03-2007 16-11-06.jpg PETASITES  FRIGIDUS var  PALMATUS 26-03-2007 16-11-23.jpg
     
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    The seed looked exactly like Leonotis Leonurus, and Leonotis Nepetifolia. So i figured it was a Mint relative. But the lack of scent or square interior changed my mind. I just checked their website, and the seed they sell is.. Chinese MOtherwort ~ Leonurus Artemesia, Common Motherswort ~ L.Artemesia, and Siberian Motherswort ~ L. Sibericus. Try as i might i cant find images of the bases of those 3. But their website does say L.Sib and L.Art are Biennial. I assumed i got the wrong thing. Because its so alien to the mints i have, and the images of flowers (leaves near the top/ flowers)
    Is Geranium biennial? These guys are incredibly healthy, almost a year old.

    trying to find an image of butterburr seed, these looked like a leonotis seed. like a dark elongated tiny grain of rice. Google is so useless now :( i dont think the butterburr and geranium have seed like that (but i cant tell, because there are no images)
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Again the leaf shape and other details are not the same - plant asked about may even be evergreen, if it is still full of undamaged leaves this late in the year.
     
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    Silver surfer Contributor 10 Years

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    Eeeck! Earlier suggestion rubbish. So sorry.
    Just been looking at pic 4 more closely.
    Leaves compound. Not straightforward as in pic 3
    Back to the drawing board.

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    It certainly is the greenest, prettiest plant out there. The peppers and squash i had out there were looking rough, in new dirt. Low NPK. These guys never missed a beat. It is still warm here. warmish. We are still getting squash flowers. All my garlic has already sprouted. idk.
    It definitely a biennial, because they were nice an big even in summer and fall here. But nothing triggered the bolting yet. lol, the more i look into it, the more confused i am. Its an Enigma, wrapped in a Riddle
     

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