Please help me identify these two plants

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  1. Carnby

    Carnby Active Member 10 Years

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    I took these pics in a garden in Tuscany: one is a plant with red berries, the other is a kind of spruce. Please help me identify it.
    Thanks in advance.
     

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    tipularia Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    #1 looks like a Nandina
     
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    Carnby Active Member 10 Years

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    I checked and it seems really a Nandina. Thank you very much for your answer. Now, can anyone help me identify that kind of spruce?
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    The spruce is probably a cultivar of Picea pungens.
     
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    Carnby Active Member 10 Years

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    Thanks a lot! Is this a spruce belonging to the same species?
     

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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    That looks to be Picea glauca var. albertiana 'Conica'.
     
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    possibly both are a variant of P. glauca?
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    No, the first looks like P. pungens as indicated.
     
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    Ron, very interested in how you distinquish between the two using the attached images. Seriously, and sincerely, respectfully....
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Picea pungens needles are longer and thicker than Picea glauca needles.
     
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    Would be helpful to have a detail photo of the growing tip.

    Below are pretty typical of images of these two species.
    P. pungens looks thicker, but P. glauca does not look shorter.
    Appears there is a conflict between the true species and plants now in cultivation?

    http://images.google.com/imgres?img...ens&hl=en&sa=N&um=1&ei=YbUaS4TjBYaQtgOd_bCCBQ

    http://images.google.com/imgres?img...uca&hl=en&sa=N&um=1&ei=G7kaS8y9M566sgP8-cyIBw
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Picea glauca leaves 8-20mm
    Picea pungens leaves 15-30mm

    Source: A. Farjon, Pinaceae (Koeltz Scientific, 1990).
     
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    Thank you Michael. Fair amount of overlap. Let us hope we get a new photo....
     

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