Picea pungens 'Mrs. Cesarini'

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    The only green Picea pungens I have.
     

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    The Harper Conifer Collection at Hidden Lake Gardens in Tipton, MI, August 2005.
     

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    Re: Picea pungens 'Mrs. Cessarini'

    According to conifers and W. Erhardt "Namensliste der Koniferen/List of Conifer Names" this is the same "Mrs. Cesarini"...
     
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    Re: Picea pungens 'Mrs. Cessarini'

    Welch & Haddow has 'Mrs. Cesarini'
     
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    So much confusion in the nursery business these days with proper names. The name I am going with was taken off the tag when I purchased it.

    If someone can prove otherwise I will welcome the change.
     
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    Re: Picea pungens 'Mrs. Cessarini'

    Since B. Fincham gives a history of the cultivar (at link, above), and refers to the originator as "Joe" - as though personally acquanted - it seems safe to assume he has the correct spelling, unless and until it is demonstrated otherwise.

    It's possible, of course, that he mistakenly typed it out wrong when writing the piece or never saw Cessarini's name written out during the course of their acquaintance.

    Since Fincham is long and widely involved in North American garden conifers he is more likely to have the true facts about cultivars originating there than listings compiled overseas. The Welch & Haddow checklist in particular is peppered with mistakes, a sort of rough draft that apparently got published without being adequately reviewed beforehand.
     
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    No real way to tell on this one I think, until we get confirmation from someone who actually knows Joe or the story behind this one. It occurred to me as well that the correct Italian spelling likely was Cesarini, but since the guy is American proper spelling cannot be assumed. Many Americans had the spelling of their names changed when they passed through Ellis Island or wherever (case in point, my name would not be spelled with a U in France.)

    The spelling Cesarini is not common, but I see a nurseryman in Maryland with that name. I would love to know the true spelling as well. Stuff like this always makes me want to know what the true name is.
     
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    Is the Cesarini in Maryland named Joe? Sounds like a familiar combination.
     
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    No it was Gabe or something.

    Merged the two threads, which sunk the other under this previous one, but left a redirect.

    This cultivar was introduced fairly recently. Someone should be able to solve the name mystery.
     
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    I'll check into this with my old-timer friend Chub Harper.

    Dax
     
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    Chub Harper (The Harper Collection - Hidden Lake Gardens; Tipton, MI.) agrees that the correct spelling is 'Cesarini' and I haven't mis-spelled.

    Dax
     
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    OK, I have changed the spelling in the thread title.

    This issue of Notes from the Arnold Arboretum mentions a visit to the nursery of a Joseph Cesarini in New York in 1969.
    http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.edu/pdf/articles/1703.pdf

    and this appears when I search with the spelling Cesarini
    http://www.actahort.org/members/showpdf?booknrarnr=615_25
    which would seem to indicate that Fincham uses that spelling in this book, although I am not a member of ISHS and thus cannot view the actual text without paying.

    It's a beautiful plant, no matter what the name.
     
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    It's interesting that this conifer carries a blush of new growth all year long as you can see in the photo. No other conifer I have does this.

    Looks like I will be changing the name tag.
     

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