Mystery Shrub

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  1. chill400

    chill400 Member

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    Can anyone identify this shrub? I was told that was a pogoda dogwood but am sure tey were wrong because of the tripalmate leaf pattern of this. The main trunk/stalk is very curved, like growing from the center outward then up having 3 to 4 main trunks. These photos are of the branches off those trunks to show the leaf . I thought it was going to flower but never did, just these tiny berry looking clusters. I have searched extensively through 66 different "cornus" varieties and I can't seem to find a photo match.
     

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  2. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Try the genus Rhus instead. Has the general appearance of species you probably shouldn't touch repeatedly.
     
  3. tipularia

    tipularia Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Doesn't look like dogwood. More like an Anacardiaceae. Might be Rhus aromatica. Hope it is not Toxidendron, but it could be.
     
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    Cereusly Steve Active Member

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    You've never heard "leaflets three, let it be"?

    That's poison ivy, whithe berries and all.

    If you are allergic, you will need to buy calamine lotion really soon.
     
  5. chill400

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    I agree with Ron B. that it has the "leaves of 3 let it be" appearance. I don't think the photos I originally posted are poison ivy. I have plenty of poison ivy both climbing vine and little sprouts that look like little tree seedlings. The little seedlings may actually be vines looking for places to climb. I have several old stumps where those seedlings climed and then just grow 8 to 10 inches on top because they have no where else to go. These stumps have been cut 10 years or longer so if it were going to make a tree, i'm sure it would. If it is some bush type of poison ivy, then I have never seen it before.

    I have done additional research on Anacardiaceae, Rhus aromatica, and Toxidendron based on Tipularia's response. I have found photos of both poison oak and poison sumac. Unless what I posted first time is a variant of either of the two I can rule them out. I am sharing those photos with this reply that I got from the usda plant website (oak) and duke.edu website (sumac). These photos may help others in the future.

    I did go outside and take photos of something that may be poison sumac, although multiple websites says it is rare. And I took some of another kind of what looks like poison ivy growing on a large oak tree. This area of the land was not heavily covered with privit and lonicera fragrantissma like the area where I took the original posted photos. That vine actually has branches like a tree coming off of it and appears to have a little berry cluster on several of those branches.
    I'm attaching one of each type because the ivy with berry cluster may be what has treed out in the other locations but I have my doubts and the other one has the leaf and stem color right for poison sumac but the leaf pattern doesn't seem right. Your thoughts in a reply will be be helpful.

    Thank you both for the initial replies.
     

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    Photos in order of attachment poison oak from usda, sumac from duke, another unknown plant that may be poison sumac and vine on large oak that is most certainly poison ivy but first time I have noticed the vine branches and berry cluster. Thanks again for identy help.
     
  7. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Some (many?) members of this family are highly variable. It reminds me of something I wouldn't touch, as well.
     
  8. chill400

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    Actually, Tipularia was correct the first time. It is Rhus Aromatica, aka fragrant sumac. Not of the poisonus type. Thanks to all for their input.
     

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