Mountain Ash - no new berries

Discussion in 'Outdoor Gardening in the Pacific Northwest' started by Ken Talbot, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. Ken Talbot

    Ken Talbot New Member

    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Revelstoke
    The mountain ash trees here in Revelstoke have not flowered and produced new berries this year. Rather, last year's berry clusters are shrivelled and black and are still hanging. Any ideas?
     
    SusanIvy likes this.
  2. Michigander

    Michigander Active Member

    Messages:
    238
    Likes Received:
    50
    Location:
    Detroit, Michigan, USA
    Having a large crop of seeds every-other-year is common situation in lots of trees/shrubs. The flower buds for the next season are grown after a seed crop is matured. The yearly cycle is approximately this: Inflate buds for leaves and flowers; set seed; mature seed, second flush of leaves; grow buds for next year; rest. Repeat next year, ad infinitum. If some condition interferes with that process, for example if the season is too short for that cultivar to both ripen the seed crop and then grow flower buds for next year, the following spring will have none or few flowers. Having no flowers means no seeds to ripen so the year following will have a bumper crop. A late frost that kills the flowers also means plenty of time to make buds for next year. A bumper crop will take the plant even longer to ripen the seeds, so the next season will have none, again, and so on and so forth: bumper, none, bumper, none, ad infinitum. This is real common with homeowner untended fruit trees and many Azalea that are grown a couple zones north of their native (longer growing season) range. Seeds on your Mountain Ash that overwintered probably means none next year. And so forth.
     
  3. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

    Messages:
    10,578
    Likes Received:
    615
    Location:
    Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Are these the native ones in the mountains or the ones around town (and possibly planted)?
     
  4. Ken Talbot

    Ken Talbot New Member

    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Revelstoke
    These are in town, but I'm pretty certain they are native.
     
  5. Ken Talbot

    Ken Talbot New Member

    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Revelstoke
    I’ve also looked in Mt Revelstoke national park and the same thing has happened there.
     

    Attached Files:

  6. Ken Talbot

    Ken Talbot New Member

    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Revelstoke
    Looking closer, there are actually a very few clusters of new berries as in this photo
     

    Attached Files:

  7. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

    Messages:
    10,578
    Likes Received:
    615
    Location:
    Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Well, it's odd that the birds didn't clear off last year's fruit.

    These look like European mountain-ash or rowan to me, the non-native Sorbus aucuparia -- more leaflets and tree-like.
     
  8. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

    Messages:
    21,279
    Likes Received:
    793
    Location:
    WA USA (Z8)
    Yes: the native Sorbus species are consistently low-forking and shrubby, with the naturalized and conspicuous S. aucuparia repeatedly assumed to be one of them. Merely because of geographic location. Similarly Viburnum opulus gets mistakenly called V. edule in this region and propagations of Rhododendron ponticum lingering at the former site of a habitation in the Seattle area got put on the wholesale market here as R. macrophyllum.
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2023
  9. SusanIvy

    SusanIvy New Member

    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Cochrane, Alberta
    I have the exact same problem. How did this resolve? It is September now, so leaves are starting to turn yellow, but otherwise the trees seem healthy. Very worried though. P.S. I am in Cochrane, AB.
     

    Attached Files:

  10. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

    Messages:
    21,279
    Likes Received:
    793
    Location:
    WA USA (Z8)
    If the species seeds out in Alberta as much as it does farther west I wouldn't worry too much. In fact, it may be becoming time for removals instead of seeing individual specimens as delicate or rare treasures.
    Washington State Noxious Weed Control Board
     
  11. Margot

    Margot Renowned Contributor 10 Years

    Messages:
    2,550
    Likes Received:
    1,361
    Location:
    Nanoose Bay, BC Canada
    I have almost no berries this year on Sorbus sitchensis, Sambucus nigra or Vaccinium ovatum.
     

Share This Page