Most northerly Phoenix Canariensis in the world?

Yes... chipmunks and black widow spiders are relatively tolerant to cold weather. I know they are around in Eastern Canada which has severe cold in winter. Now, if alligators started to swim up to 50-55N and survive outdoors year round, then we know there are serious problems with the climate!

 

Yep, they'd be making serious alligations about our management of the climate

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Y con buen razon estamos como raza aruinando este lindo planeta!! With good reason we are ruining this wonderful planet earth!! We the little people are being ruined too or our future is thanks to greedy comercialism!! But we do our bits for our own little patches of dirt we call our gardens!!

 

i have seen a large cidp on the roundabout just off vauxhall bridge in london. this cidp must be at least fifteen years old and is at least sixteen feet high and wide . there is another taller one in fulham road .both can be seen on google earth .there are also a lot of others in varius places in london .rgds billdango.

 

. . . and both dead now, after two hard winters in a row. One died in the 2009-10 winter, the other survived (just), only to expire this winter.