mis labeling trees? LOL LOOK AT THIS ORIDONO NISHIKI!

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  1. STi

    STi Active Member

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    What a joke....I bought an oridono nishiki from houseofmaples ON EBAY....LOOK AT WHAT ARRIVED! What the heLL is it? OBVIOUSLY NOT ORIDO/ORIDONO NISHIKI!

    It looks alittle like my katsura but less pretty! The new shoots are green not pink or redish pink...The leaves are not deep rich green like they should be and absolutly no variagation! Now i do have an oridono nishiki and asahi zuru and this tree shares nothing in common at all!

    Please idfentify this dang thing! The label says orida nishiki lol

    Should i keep it or ask for refund or proper cultivar? It is the least pretty maple i have haha!
     

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    Here are pics of leaves and shoots.
     

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  3. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Since it seems to have colored stems it could, in fact be the desired plant - or a similar variegated cultivar. Some stems of this one are often striped. Foliage may be only partly variegated or variegated only part of the time. Grow it on to see what it does later.
     
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    jacquot Active Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    My Karasu gawa only shows its outstanding variegation in the second flush of leaves. Right now it is green. Late summer is just amazing! I haven't conferred with anyone on this, but assumed it is normal, or at least for my growing conditions. You may be correct, but then perhaps this is as described.
     
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    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Perhaps it is a seedling from Oridono Nishiki and therefore slightly different? It will settle over the next few years
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    but, my oridono nishiki,show variegations on the leaves after one month ....
     
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    It's grafted about 5 inches from base.
     
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    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    That settles that then :)
     
  9. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    True-to-nameness of scions depends on budwood being taken from true-to-name stock plants. Which brings up another point, variations in coloring could be attributed to where on a stock plant a scion came from - although this cultivar appears to be chimaeric.
     
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    NJACER Active Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    STi,

    It looks like there is slight variegation and as slight hook in one of the leavs in two of the pictures. I have had experience when all leaves were green on my plants after heavy fertilization. You may want to give this some time. My trees were old at the time and it took a full year for the true colors to return. Often new grafts are fertilized heavly to produce a larger plant.

    Ed
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    The bark of new shoots is sometimes pink or pink-striped, which distinguishes it from the similar 'Asahi zuru'.

    This cultivar is more reliable and has far less non-variegated foliage than some other cultivars such as 'Versicolor'.


    --Vertrees(Gregory), Japanese Maples (2001, Timber Press, Portland)

    A similar small plant I got through the mail once I decided after growing for awhile was probably one like 'Versicolor' instead.
     
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    The tree has started to show variegation on several leaves...I guess it was over fertilized.


    I feel like a jackazz now lol!
     
  13. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    It's all a learning process in what these plants will do
    and when they will do it and which locations they are
    less likely to show their stuff. We have to be wrong
    a few to numerous times with these plants to better
    learn how to be right with them. As long as we hone
    up to when and why we were wrong we can start on
    working on how to be right.

    True form Asahi zuru does produce pink stripes on
    older wood, not so much seen on new or one year
    old shoots, and is never seen running vertically in
    the trunk unlike the known forms of Orido nishiki.
    Even the golden striped form of Orido nishiki has
    pink outer edging to the golden interior stripes.

    Karasugawa should not be mentioned in this group of
    variegates being a pink overtone leaf with white being
    the primary variegated color. The Vertrees book(s)
    mentions lack of chlorophyll for a reason and that is
    due to the fact that the true form plant seldom has
    green showing in the face of the leaf but green can
    be seen on the undersides of the leaf. Yes, Ron, if
    we think in terms of the fact that Europe once had
    several forms of Versicolor, which were considered
    to be a variegated group of the same namesake, it
    makes one wonder where did they (Versicolor group)
    all go and can anyone today Id upon sight the old
    Maple, the same Maple shown on the dust jacket
    for the Vertrees second edition book?

    Jim
     
  14. alex66

    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    max number of leaves variegated in July...
     
  15. Gomero

    Gomero Well-Known Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    'Oridono nishiki' and 'Asahi zuru' are cultivars that seem to keep putting out new leaves permanently. In my place and at the location where they are planted, the leaves for the first month and a half are basically green, then the variegation begins becoming more pronounced as the season advances. This basically coincides with what others describe.

    Gomero
     

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