mapultreo & sex

Discussion in 'Maples' started by richardbeasley@comcast.net, Oct 4, 2007.

  1. richardbeasley@comcast.net

    richardbeasley@comcast.net Active Member Maple Society

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    Do all maples self, or which maples need to be paired with another tree to produce samara? I think I need another book. How is everybody doing, are yall all sowing your seed for next year yet?
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    They are normally outbreeding - the pollen has to come from a different individual for good seed production. Accidental selfed seedlings are generally sickly and usually short-lived.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Acer capillipes is appreciated for tending to give true-to-name seedlings, rather than hybrids that tend to be prevalent among Sec. Macrantha maple seed gathered from collections where more than one related species present. The bigger A. capillipes here has been fruiting heavily since a small one nearby was removed; this year about a million seedlings from it have appeared in beds near it.
     
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    richardbeasley@comcast.net Active Member Maple Society

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    Can an Acer be pollinated from outside of it's specific section or in other words can Palmata cross with a Macrantha?
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    If this happens it's not common or widely known.
     
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    richardbeasley@comcast.net Active Member Maple Society

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    Well that is good to know, thanks Ron. I don't think there is a single Snake Bark (e.g.) Acer X White Tigress, in my entire town so if I bought two I may get pretty good seed, ya thank.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Two seedlings may cross, two clonal propagations of the same plant would just be selfing if they produced any fruits - same as if you had bought and planted a single specimen.

    Maple specialists' books like MAPLES FOR GARDENS get into this topic (sex of maple flowers and so on), if you have access to a library that holds the several major titles that have been issued all in comparatively recent years you can probably get a pretty good idea of what is involved.
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    for some species of maple if two maple are near the species is invasive the seed have one high power of germinations;i seen this phenomenon in my garden with acer Negundo and Campestre;now i planted 4 pseudoplatanus, and i'm curious if is this phenomenon repeat ........
     
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    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Hey Alex ... watch out .. you are beginning to use big words in English (phenomenon ... wow :))
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Those three are all ones that reseed and naturalize readily, not representative of what to expect from many other species.
     
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    Sorry to hijack thread, but...

    Since I am new at this and really do not understand most of what you guys are saying, will a single JM produce seeds or should it be paired with another JM? From my interpretation of the above posts, that it will not produce good offspring if any, if self-pollinated?

    Simple English answer would be nice please.


    I am know I am new to this, but sometimes reading the board here is kind of like one of you walking into my business and me explaining to you in binary that a string was not terminated properly during programming when you really needed to know was that the program needed to be patched / updated. This is not a knock on anyone here, it is just hard sometimes for those of us less plant educated people to follow everything you are saying. I really like this site, please do not take the above comment negatively.
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    Sam i have bouth one new book of english °(^_^)°is true ....
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    829 when in my garden there was only one acer Negundo the seed have an low power
    of germinations ,today i have 5 Negundo and this apecies is "invasive"this is equal for fruits my Prunus cerasifera product more fruits after i planted another Prunus.Of course some fruits trees are self pollined, have flower "man and women".This is one reasons because the plant is better if planted in group in gardens
     
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    richardbeasley@comcast.net Active Member Maple Society

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    Has it rained in Roma yet?
     
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    It is not a matter of looking up the words, I have been doing that. The problem is not everyone is a botanist and when I have to jump back and forth between pages, it dulls my desire to take up the hobby. I am sure others have felt or do feel the same, they just are not saying anything. Like I said, this is not a knock on the site, I realize the target audience is for the above average botanist, but the weekend warriors like to feel included too without being overwhelmed with scientific names. To us, a Japanese Maple is a Japanese Maple, not an Acer palmatum 'Atropurpureum'.
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    rained two times for 2/3hours in 4 month!!! the river Tevere is "dry" my maples have the leaves stressed....Ciao Richard
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    829 the first period is normal that you have difficult with some word or thread in this forum ,i not posted for 2 years read only ,but my American language is limited ......
    alex
     
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    Thank you alex. Slowly but surely.
     
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    katsura Active Member 10 Years

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    829, I've been working closely with Japanese maples since 1996 and the same
    thing u experience with this board, I have experienced when reading the serious
    literature on some esoteric point, so I fully appreciate and respect your comments.
    Just keep plugging away and follow your passion for these majestic trees. Remember,
    none of us are experts; we all live in Socratic ignorance. And the trees don't read the
    books so the aren't limited by our "knowledge" which is great but sometimes can block
    the way. The simple skinny is Japanese maple trees are not male or female like we
    humans(although some maples are like the Box Elder which is called acer negundo many
    of whose seeds are sterile). And yes, most Japanese maple seeds are produced by pollen being brought by the wind or some insect like bees to another trees open flowers.
    from another trees fertilizing
     
  21. richardbeasley@comcast.net

    richardbeasley@comcast.net Active Member Maple Society

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    I don't know hardly anything about the world of flora, but I maybe I am a wee bit more interested then you are right now. I think there is a possibility that some of us have been wooed by some small part of nature and that wee thing made a lasting impact on our lives.
    For me there have been a few moments of sheer wonder. My fist feeling of awe came one afternoon about 27 years ago as I was driving home one late afternoon on rain soaked roads. The sun had just pop and it was very bright even as it was setting in the west. As I crested a steep hill I saw a most moving sight, yet it was nothing more then a field of straw left over from that mornings wheat harvest. But on those golden shafts, as they lay fallen to the ground, danced millions and millions of tiny water droplets. Each little drop maximizing a golden gleam reflecting brightly that evenings last light, like a so many diamonds as far as the eye could see. It was if each little one knew exactly how to working in harmony to make so much magic, a great concert of light color and my wonder. It was as if I were riding though the gates of heaven in in my little sports car. If you don't press it, but be willing to look you may find more then all of us.
     
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    Thank you katsura.


    richardbeasley@comcast.net, You may be a little more interested, I just got started as a way to relax . 27 years ago for me I was just learning to walk, but two years ago I planted a Halls Hardy Almond for fruit, but I decided I enjoyed the bloom much better. I run an I.T. services company and the days seem to just run together. As far as pressing it, I have been very cordial through all of my posts and I do not take well to people warning me when I have done nothing wrong.
     
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    Jeepers Richard ... YOU are certainly becoming more poetic in your old age (LOL)
     

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