I've keyed out several trees as Western Larches (Portland, Oregon area) and had begun to think I knew how to tell a Larch when I saw it - needles in clumps on short stems, droopy leaders. Then I discovered that, although not native to our area, there are many "true" cedars around, in particular Deodar Cedar, and they look very much like the larches I've seen. My books offer no help distinguishing the two, since they simply say that Cedars aren't native to the area. They may not be native, but they are around in abundance! Can anyone give me clues as to how to tell these trees apart? Do you know a site that provides guidance? Thanks for your help!