Japanese Umbrella Pine in Vancouver

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  1. Kathy Hodson

    Kathy Hodson Member

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    I would like to grow a new tree I just bought.
    "Sciadopitys verticillata"
    I have 1/4 acre with two 60 ft. Western Red Cedars
    and many other trees of interest. Will this tree be
    happy in my fast draining competitive landscape?
    The tag said it will grow to be 10 ft tall but further
    investigating shows it could grow as tall as 30 ft.
    Thanks in advance....
     
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  2. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Will probably grow over 12" per year if you water it, other conditions favorable. I've had 2 grow much faster than generally expected, one of which was cut down because it soon overwhelmed its intended position.

    One in Woodland, WA (H. Klager Lilac Gdn.) was 45' x 10'7" x 31' in 1990. Another, in Everett, WA (Evergreen Cem.) was 54' x 7'5" x 27' in 1987.
     
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    jimmyq Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Ron B. I am confused by the measurements you give. is the first number height, second number DBH and third number branch spread at the largest point?
     
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    Height, Circumference, Average Crown Spread. See Van Pelt, Champion Trees of Washington State .
     
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    jimmyq Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    thanks Ron.
     
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    Hi,

    I'm a new member in Halifax, NS. I am also newish to gardening with perennials, shrubs and trees. I "inherited" a fully mature perennial garden with lots of shrubs and interesting trees, one of which is a Japanese Umbrella Pine. It wasn't thriving too well, we didn't think, in a very shady spot under a thick rose bush, so we moved it, in ignorance, to an exposed, very sunny spot. It has grown in height, but needles have yellowed somewhat, and it looks "leggy". This is a large town property (.5 acre) with a variety of growing situations. What would be optimum for my tree?

    Sandra
     
  7. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Is Sciadopitys hardy there, or are we really talking about something else?
     
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    I live in New York State, where can I buy a Japanese Umbrella Pine?
    Thanks,
    Bert
     
  9. Robert Kelchner

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    I would like to top a Japanese Umbrella Pine that is about 35 feet tall. I would be cutting off about 8 feet. Will this kill the tree or will it still live???
     
  10. jetoney

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    Some on-line nurseries have them. You can order a relatively mature tree from Greer Gardens in Oregon (www.greergardens.com). Fantastic Plants (www.fantasticplants.com) in Tennessee sometimes has younger trees. There is also Rich's Foxwillow Pines (www.richsfoxwillowpines.com) in Illinois, but it doesn't appear that they ship trees (although I haven't asked), and they are a bit expensive. One last possibility is Bethlehem Nursery (www.bethlehemnursery.com) in Connecticut, which lists a variety of cultivars (all of which seem to be 1-year grafts, although they haven't updated their availability list for this year).

    I bought mine from Greer Gardens, and it was in pretty good shape when I received it. (It has been struggling since, but I think that's because I ordered it too early - we have had an unusually cold spring, and the tree seems to be having a hard time making the transition from the milder climate.)


    Regards,

    Jim
     
  11. Michael F

    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    It would probably still live, but it would ruin the tree as an attractive specimen, and store up major problems for the future as the regrowth of forked leaders would be open to easy storm damage. Don't do it!
     
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    I'm in Vancouver also, and have a small (5') umbrella pine in a large concrete planter in a protected area. It receives plenty of summer sun but not a lot in winter. I've noticed that the old needles are yellowing and falling off, leaving only the new growth. This began in August and has continued well into October. Soil is well drained and I think it's moderately acid - does anyone know why this might be happening? Thank you!
     
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    If more are falling than usual, check soil conditions. Might be time to repot.
     
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    Thank you! I only potted this tree last year, and in a very large container. Is it possible there's been that much root growth in a year and a half? If so, I may have to put the tree into the ground - if I get a bigger container it'll dwarf the house!
     
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    Hi Kathy, I'm in Vancouver and looking for a Japanese Umbrella Pine, where did you get yours?

    Or if anyone else knows where I might find one, please let me know!!

    I bought an "umbrella pine" today at UBCBG plant sale, but it turns out it is Pinus pinea not Sciadopitys verticillata - my fault for going on a common name! The Pinus pinea is lovely but I would still looking for Sciadopitys verticillata.

    Thanks!
     
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    I saw them for sale this year at the Lougheed Gardenworks...
     

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