Identification: Is this Boxelder Maple?

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  1. 120inna55

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    These trees are growing in wet areas. The young versions' leaves have red stems. I don't know what they look like in the fall, because frankly, I don't remember seeing them in the fall, yet there are literally hundreds of them on my property. I'm very much an amateur. Perhaps my understanding of compound leaves is incorrect, but I believe I'm seeing compound leaves. Interestingly in some of the older trees, one side of the tree's trunk has rough bark, while the opposite side has smooth skin. I hope my pictures are adequate.

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    Here's a pic of the two-sided bark:

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  2. togata57

    togata57 Generous Contributor 10 Years

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    Maple, but not boxelder.
    Maybe Acer rubrum, red or swamp maple.
     
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    Following your lead, I found this image on the web: http://www.ibiblio.org/openkey/intkey/images/Acer_rubrum_leaves02.jpg

    That looks just like what I have. The problem is, I've never seen a tree out here in the fall so brilliantly red as the one's depicted on the web. I guess, I'll pay closer attention.
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    yes rubrum maybe sub. drummondii ,that not have red brillant fall color...
     
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    That appears to be it. One site stated the underside of young leaves was felty. I don't recall that being the case, but I'll have a look tomorrow and report back. Thank you both for your help.
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    in sez .acer of this forum there is the photo of rubrum drummondii..
     
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    you lost me there
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    ok you go in home of this forum,search genus acer,(maple)in top of sub forum maples there is "maple photo gallery!in alphabetic order there are photo of maple taxa...page 7!
    HTH ;-)
     
  9. togata57

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    I daresay that variations in fall color, and possibly feltiness of leaves and/or idiosyncracies of bark, are affected by same in soil, moisture, temperature, etc. conditions.

    Also suspect that photos on web are chosen to be the most eye-catching---in this case, the most brilliant shade of red. Hey, if alex says drummondii, I will defer to superior maple knowledge!
     
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    I'd say that's drummondii as well. It's named for my great-grandfather.
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    Sir Drummond??!!wow
     
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    Wow, lorax! That is WAY cool.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Discovered by Thomas Drummond (1780-1835), Scottish botanical explorer in North America in 1833-34. Named after him in 1834.

    --A.L. Jacobson, North American Landscape Trees (1996, Ten Speed Press, Berkeley)
     
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    Agreed. I'm such a noob, I've no place challenging any of you. Please don't take my follow-up questions as such. I just wanted to make sure I provided enough information.

    I thank you all very much for your help!
     
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    Silver surfer Generous Contributor 10 Years

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    Sorry to digress a little.
    So Lorax, it is in your genes. Exploring and plant hunting. Wow!
    I found this really interesting article about you distant forbear,Thomas Drummond.

    http://www.stferguskirkglamis.co.uk/drummond.html

    http://rbg-web2.rbge.org.uk/bbs/Learning/Bryohistory/Bygone Bryologists/THOMAS DRUMMOND.pdf

    http://travelingluck.com/North+Amer...lumbia/_6080571_Mount+Drummond.html#local_map

    http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7SUNA_en-GB&tbs=isch:1

    By the way we have been to the Explorers Garden in Pitlochry, not long after it opened. (Opened April 2003.) It is in a very beautiful area.The hard landscaping was excellent, however it needed more plants and time to get fully established.

    http://www.perthshire.co.uk/index.asp?pg=135

    http://www.plantexplorers.com/articles/explorers-garden.htm


    Lorax is Thomas Drummond ( 1793- 1835) your Great grandfather or Great great grandfather, or even Great great great grandfather? Which ever, it is a fascinating relation to have in your family tree. Well impressed!


    OMG found even more! You could trace your family tree on the internet!

    I have now found a pic of him from the Royal Botanic Garden Kew

    http://images.kew.org/pictures_6545...ml?PHPSESSID=b6124fb39581fba906e517443b012202
     
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    acer platanoides Drummondii!!!many years ago i buy this maple ,and i search word Drummondi,i read the history of Sir.Drummond in this occasion..
     
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    Alex, not sure that he is a "Sir".
     
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    ah ok i read Sir in one web pages, if not correct excuse me!:-)
     
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    No, he was a Sir, but it wasn't a hereditary title. And you're absolutely right, SS, I'm missing a Great in the chain of connection. I know exactly who's in my tree and clans, and who isn't, and it goes back to before the Black Campbells sold Scotland to the British.
     

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