is my pine not a chir pine lookalike?

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  1. davidrt28

    davidrt28 Member

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    In 2009, I picked this pine out of a large group of 1.5 m, containerized loblolly pines at Colesville Nursery north of Richmond, VA, for being particularly bold. I wasn't even thinking it might be a hybrid, but I now believe it is probably a 'Sonderegger' pine. Either 50% or 25% longleaf pine.
    I have seen MANY southern pines, either in the south, or the ones smattered around here, and I truly think this one is superior. I've only seen a chir pine in various photographs, but to me it has the noble bearing of that species. Am I kidding myself? I'm not worried about whether you'll be honest...
     

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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    What do the relevant morphological details suggest? I see you even have seed cones to work with. And of course, nobody at this end can make out pertinent features using only this one shot taken from some distance.
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Doesn't look like Pinus roxburghii (Chir Pine) to me. I'd suspect your guess of P. × sondereggeri is closer to the mark, the cones (what little detail of them I can see) looks OK for that. Can you get a close-up pic of a cone?
     
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    Well someone should tell Trees and Shrubs to update their picture then, because it's exactly the same color as mine in this representative example!

    https://www.treesandshrubsonline.org/articles/pinus/pinus-roxburghii/

    Needles average 9.5" on mine so within the 8" to 12" range given by Bean.
     

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