Is Blood Orange dormant?

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  1. pwrflpills

    pwrflpills Member

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    I purchased a small, healthy looking blood orange tree in a 3 gallon pot about 4 weeks ago and planted it in a larger, probably 15 gallon, terracotta pot with Scotts Moisture Control potting mix.

    I drilled 4, roughly nickel sized, holes on the bottom sides of the pot in addition to the original whole in the center of the bottom for drainage.

    I have tried a few different locations and now have it in a spot that enjoys full sun a good 8-10 hrs a day. The darn thing hasn't grown a bit in all this time, so I'm wondering what I did wrong or am missing. Can anyone think of any clues? The only thing I can think of is that is has not been in its ideal location long enough and therefore has not gotten enough regular sun to start producing new growth.

    I also purchased smaller (1 gallon) Meyer Lemon and Variegated Pink Lemon trees and in the last week the VPL has exploded with new growth and the Meyer has already flowered and produced a half mature lemon with others on the way. (It has not produced leaves however and is starting to yellow so I fertilized it with Citrus-Tone this evening.)
     
  2. skeeterbug

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    Citrus trees grow in spurts called flushes, then seem to sit idle for a while. Actually, the roots are growing to be able to support the next flush.

    One other thing-- enlarging the container as much as you did is not recommended---the main reason is that the soil is more likely to stay wet and cause root rot. Also, the soil mix you used is not the best for citrus-- they like a very airy soil mix with chunks of bark, one that drains rapidly and has lots of airspace--so be careful about overwatering.

    Skeet
     
  3. pwrflpills

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    Yeah, I was wondering about the size of the container. Thanks for the soil tip.

    Would you recommend re-potting?

    Another note: the leaves are all a rich dark green, but are pointing up a bit. It's been that way since I got it. I forget what that might mean...
     
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    I think you can probably wait a little while and see if you have any problems. With the type soil you used, you probably need to replace the soil within a year since it will get compacted and hold even more water. You can search this site for some soil recipies-- a lot of the container experts recommend Coconut Husk Chips, but they need to be washed and treated. Some like to use orchid mix or orchid bark with a little peat moss.

    One way to check the moisture content is to put a stick into the soil all the way to the bottom of the pot. Pull it out to check soil moisture before watering and keep an eye on the bottom of the stick-- make sure it is not staying wet while the top is dry. You should wait until the soil is dry at least 2-3 inches before watering-- at that time the bottom of the stick should be moist but not wet looking.

    Skeet
     
  5. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Blood Oranges that have been "juiced"
    to get them up to size young have a
    tendency to "sit" in a container until
    you get some new root growth. By
    the color of the leaves tells me this
    may be the case for you. I'd rather
    buy a Blood Orange with a slight
    yellow cast to the leaves as then I
    know they have not been fed too
    much Nitrogen. Then when I take
    them from a five gallon and place
    them into a fifteen gallon container
    I know they will put out some new
    roots before they will send out the
    next flush of new growth. It is not
    out of bounds for a Blood Orange
    to take the rest of the year and longer
    just to adjust to the newer environ
    and larger container. Indoors in the
    home and indoors in a greenhouse
    do serve to be a detriment to having
    too large a container for Citrus upon
    transplanting but to bump a five gallon
    plant up to a fifteen is almost standard
    procedure around here and not such a
    big deal when the plant is set outdoors
    in a container. A three gallon sized plant
    would normally be placed in a seven gallon
    container next for outdoor growing.

    The iffy part of the equation are the
    dwarf forms, much more so than the
    standard and semi-dwarf Citrus, that
    have very little root development.
    Then we have a tough decision to
    make but our concerns about root
    system or lack thereof and open
    volume in the container can be
    minimized as long as we do not
    allow the soil around the roots
    to compact. Several nursery grade
    potting soils are just fine for most
    Citrus and most all of them will have
    some Peat Moss as a constituent.
    Which is fine for most Citrus plants
    but for the dwarfs forms that are
    known to be rather slow to develop
    a root system, one of the reasons
    why they are a dwarf in the first
    place, is that too much Peat Moss
    when saturated will slough off
    oxygen that was sticking to their
    surface and as long as the Peat Moss
    remains moist, no free oxygen will
    readily stick to the particle. After
    a series of wet, oxygen depleted
    particles that have bound together
    we get a moisture caused compaction
    that even when allowed to dry out
    will not absorb as much oxygen as
    the Peat Moss once was able to do.
    With each successive hose watering
    we in fact liberate more oxygen out
    of the soil than we retain afterwards
    when the soil has become dry again.
    This time around we cannot get ample
    oxygen to stick in between the bound
    particles that we could before. This
    condition is why if we want to have
    free movement of oxygen in our soils
    we have to be aware of what particles
    can and will compact and fine grade
    Peat Moss is one of them. How we
    can work around it is to have a soil
    medium that has constituents with a
    coarse texture such as the fine grade
    Orchid bark mixed in by hand into the
    potting soil that has some Peat Moss
    in it. Another is to have a potting soil
    that has some Perlite as a constituent
    in that the Peat Moss will try to bind
    to the Perlite when wet but the Perlite
    does not absorb a lot of water and does
    not hold it for very long which allows
    for a faster drying out, desiccation and
    this aids oxygen in the container to be
    replenished. Air moving in from the top
    of the can and moving in a downward
    direction in the container will find the
    dry particles to stick to, thus those
    particles that cannot become super
    saturated such as the Orchid Bark
    (ground Fir bark) [not to ever be
    confused with Orchid compost]
    and Perlite become our oxygen
    collectors for us. Then we can
    almost guarantee our soil medium
    can replenish much of the lost
    oxygen that was forced out of the
    container every time we saturate
    the soil with a hose watering. Do
    not use a soil medium with a high
    percentage of fine grade (ground)
    Peat Moss for outdoor container
    grown Citrus! Another trick of the
    trade is to us use straight potting
    soil that has Perlite in it in the
    bottom of the container, place the
    tree in the container and fill in the
    sides and rest of the can covering
    all of the roots with a hand mixed
    1/2 potting soil and 1/2 Redwood
    compost. Then use straight Redwood
    compost as a top dress for the plant
    once the soil has had time to settle
    and it will after we hose water these
    plants. We would prefer to have a
    coarse texture on the soil surface
    rather than have a fine grade texture
    as then we allow more air volume
    when grown outdoors to come into
    the container and move for us rather
    than be blocked or even repelled right
    at the soil surface.

    I would not worry too much about
    the Blood Orange doing nothing
    for top growth in the first year in
    the can. Let the tree adapt and do
    not apply any additional Nitrogen
    for the first year while this plant
    is adapting to its new and roomier
    container. Let the available nutrients
    in the new potting soil do that for
    you instead.

    I do not give any of our Citrus any
    additional Nitrogen the first year
    I have them, even the plants that
    we brought in from one grower
    source that can use some Nitrogen
    right now. The plants that take the
    longest time to adjust for us are
    the ones that have been fertilized
    too much when they were young.
    Let the roots develop without
    outside pressure or interference.
    Keep it natural, do things above
    board for this plant early on and
    you will reap the sought rewards
    and be happier with this Orange
    later if you do.

    Jim
     

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