Identify these please?

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  1. Sean

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    Hi,
    I was out for a stroll the other day down by a local canal in Chilliwack. I was
    wondering if you could identify one a tree, and two a shrub? Thank you.

    Sean
     

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  2. Michael F

    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    First two pics are Japanese Walnut Juglans ailantifolia.

    Second two are a species of dogwod Cornus.
     
  3. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Red-twig dogwood. Not sure views of Juglans good enough to be sure it is not just as well one of the related species, such as J. cathayensis; J. ailantifolia is not the only one from this group present here (unless they've been merged or subsumed). But probably not J. cinerea (the North American native representative) as the leaves and leaflets look too bold.
     
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    Thank you guys, very helpful.
     
  5. Michael F

    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    They've not been officially merged, but probably should be as the differences are minimal (Grimshaw, Int. Dendrol. Soc. Yearb. 2003: 107-130).
     
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    Douglas Justice Well-Known Member UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout Maple Society 10 Years

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    Juglans cinerea (butternut) is a very common escape in the Chilliwack area.
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    All the same, I'd agree with Ron, this one doesn't look quite right for Butternut.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Leaves too big and fancy for butternut.
     
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    Douglas Justice Well-Known Member UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout Maple Society 10 Years

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    Thanks Ron and Michael, for making me question that particular received wisdom. Anyway, I had an opportunity to check for myself yesterday. It is indeed Juglans ailanthifolia that is the common escape in the Fraser Valley. The leaflets are very broad. The fruits are on a long raceme and they are more or less globose, rather than pointy. It's terrible when you find out you've been wrong about something for twenty years.
     
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    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Now the only question is whether the epithet should have an "h" or not.
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Juglans ailantifolia, no 'h': "Comment: this is the original spelling".
     
  12. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Apparently the region agrees with them, as large Asian walnuts and butternuts are encountered repeatedly in cultivation in NW Washington. See Van Pelt, Champion Trees of Washington State (1996, University of Washington) for locations and dimensions of specific examples.
     

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