Identification

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  1. webwolf

    webwolf Active Member 10 Years

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    I know, people might respond that I should buy a book and work it out myself I would still like to post a few pictures of my various maples for identification.
    The first one I bought under " Taiwanese Maple"
     

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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Likely a dwarf cultivar of Acer buergerianum. This species is native to eastern China (and Japan). Taiwan maple could also be a mistake for Trident maple, I suppose.
     
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    webwolf Active Member 10 Years

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    trident maple

    Hi, I thought this one is a Trident Maple
     

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    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Hi Webwolf:

    Both of your Maples are Tridents. One of them is
    Musk Scented also known as Jakö kaedé and the
    other Maple is Maruba tökaedé.

    Jim
     
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    jimmyq Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Jim, can you say those names ten times real fast? :)
     
  6. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    The Musk Scented Trident, second Maple shown by
    webwolf at one time was felt not to be a Maple at
    all. It is the same Maple that Koichiro Wada in
    Japan and others before him called the Musk
    Scented Buergerianum. That was plenty good
    enough for a lot of people. Later on, paleobotanical
    studies in Japan on this plant suggested it to be
    Premna japonica instead. Refer to page 152
    of the Vertrees second edition Japanese Maples
    book. We always considered this plant to be a
    Trident Maple and I'll stick with that for now.

    Paul: I used to be able to say these names fluently
    but perhaps now I probably cannot do it 10 times
    fast with any real success.

    Here is one that drove some people in antique Art
    Glass batty to say just once.

    Württembergische Metallwarenfabrik. WMF for
    short, a revered glassworks, metal and silverplate
    manufacturer located near Stuttgart, Germany.

    Jim
     
  7. webwolf

    webwolf Active Member 10 Years

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    I have no trouble with german words (haha)

    That first picture of a maple I called 'Taiwanese Maple' has much more rounded edges than the Trident of my neighbour. Could it be a different variety or can I now call it:
    'Maruba Tökaed`e'
     

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    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Hi Webwolf:

    Sometimes we can get carried away with the spellings
    and symbols used by other countries. Macrons and
    Windows operating system computers do not seem
    to get along. I've tried to find a font that has the right
    symbol but have not been successful yet. For now the
    elongated o (ö) is plenty good enough for all practical
    purposes. The e symbol (é) is close to being right for
    Japanese text.

    Yes, you can call your first Trident Maple pictured
    Maruba tokaede if you want, unless someone wants
    to argue it is not that Maple. For the overly technical
    among us, Maruba tökaedé will work okay for now.

    Jim

    I finally figured out how to write a macron.

    Acer buergerianum 'Maruba tōkaedé'

    Acer buergerianum 'Jakō kaedé'
     
  9. Gomero

    Gomero Well-Known Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    Re: Identification of Trident Maples

    Now I have my own identification problem with the "Trident" maples. The first pic shows the leaves of three different maples I have and which were labelled Acer buergerianum. It seems that the two in the 'right' are similar to each other and and different from the one to the 'left'.
    The second and third pics show the new growth and leaves of the 'left' acer which, after consulting the different books, seem to match well the description of Acer buergerianum subsp. buergerianum . The fourth pic shows the new growth of the 'right' maple which, again is appreciably different from the 'left' maple.
    I do not know what is the variabilty of the Acer buergerianum seedlings, do I have just different seedlings of the basic Acer buergerianum?
    I have indeed looked around in my books and in the Antoine le Hardy's book of maples there is a picture of the leaves of Acer crataegifolium var. macrophyllum which look just like my 'right' tree; but this could be just pure coincidence.

    Gomero
     

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