In The Garden: Holly Trees What species

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  1. Shari

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    Must be annoying to have labels without information on the cultivar. Both look like English hollies to me.
     
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    I have info about the Varigated varity, do you hav any idea how big the solid dark green one will get?
    Know holly depending on the cultivar..can grow to adult height, any where from 3' to 25'. Big difference. <VBG>
     
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    I can't help with size. My off-the-cuff bet would be that if they were reasonably priced at a big retail nursery, they were probably pretty easy to propagate and grow to a marketable size.
     
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    Yes, they were on sale for a very good price....couldn't help myself. <LOL>

    So what hollys are easy and fast to grow, that have that solid darker leaf color?
     
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    Highclere hollies are the most handsome and do not seed out, unlike English holly which has become a serious pest species in this region.
     
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    Thank you Ron! That gives me a direction to look. They have Blue Princess and Blue Angel as I bought some very small holly plants from them a number of years ago, those were marked. Will do some more digging as to what the varigated one is.
     
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    Those are Meserve holly cultivars, developed to provide something of the appearance of English holly in climates too cold for it. Since we can even overwinter Highclere hollies here there is no need to plant Meserve or English hollies - except that Highclere hollies do not occur with nearly the range of characteristics of English holly cultivars. But since English holly is a pest species here...

    The Highclere hollies most likely to be seen in garden centers are 'Wilsonii' and 'Camelliifolia', the latter often labeled I. aquifolium 'Ciliata Major'. 'Golden King' is sometimes also seen. For a broader selection it is liable to be necessary to order through the mail.
     
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    We do get very hard frosts up here. My 100 gallen water tank will freeze solid for up to three months.
    The Holly that is on this place, seems to take it in stride. With no issues.

    Thank you for all your info!
     
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    Find your Sunset Climate Zone in the Sunset WESTERN GARDEN BOOK and then look in the plant encyclopedia section to see what zoning they give to different hollies. Highclere holly is not as hardy as English holly. Meserve holly is much hardier than would ordinarily be required for planting here, unless you live deep in the mountains.
     
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    This area is 6b/7 . Not nearly as cold as NH and places like that.. but quite cold for this part of Oregon State.
     
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    Many people misinterpret the USDA zoning system, thinking if they sometimes get between 0 and 10 degrees F. that puts them in Zone 7 and so on. The USDA map is also highly inaccurate where drawn over some parts of the West, Washington's Olympic Peninsula for instance. So, when you say you are in those zones I next want to know how this was determined before the discussion continues based on the idea your climate is that cold.
     
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    One..
    http://gardening.about.com/gi/dynam...tp://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/ushzmap.html?

    Second... as per a rather nice temp gage, in a protected area...
    Three months during winter we range from a wide range of -10 to 15*. Tip off should be when I said our 100 gallon water tank for the animals freezes solid..totally solid for 3 months. Super hard frozen ground...along with snow off and on. We also get high winds for most of the winter which also makes the area colder.
    Now if I drive out of these Cascade Coastal hills, down to the low land..is like a whole other world.
    Here is a photo of some of the winter conditions we get up here.
     

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    Shari,
    A very picturesque way of proving your point! I believe you.
     
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    Thank you!

    Have been gardening over 35 years and have lived all over the US... worked in some pretty nice Greenhouse operations. Figure pictures are worth a 1,000 word. <VBG>
     
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    What do you think your average annual minimum temperature is there?
     

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