Growing in pots and there impact on growth carateristics.

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  1. Jaybee63

    Jaybee63 Well-Known Member Maple Society

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    The first 2 pictures are of Mapi-no-machihime (Little Princess) planted in open ground and the second 2 are of the same cultivar that’s always been in a pot (repotted every 2 to 3 years in same pot)
    I much prefer the smaller leaves and much shorter interludes when grown in a pot.
    The pot grown plant also keeps the leaf variegation much longer.
    Pot grown certainly adds to the beauty of many dwarfs.
     

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  2. Acerholic

    Acerholic Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society

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    Hi Jaybee63, lovely photos, I presume they are last Summer ones. We have just moved our Little Princess into the ground last Autumn. It had vivid colours whilst in a pot. Looking at yours in the ground it has a far paler look. Will update when ours leafs out.
     
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    Photos taken this morning, been fully leafed out for around 2 weeks now.
    Not all cultivars are out in leaf yet, probably around half.
     
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    Acerholic Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society

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    Wow, think I'm in an exceptionally cold area near Winchester. Tbh though with the possibility of frosts next week I'm a little glad they arnt too far along. Really great photos you posted of yours
     
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    Jaybee63 Well-Known Member Maple Society

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    That’s surprising, we are about 16 miles away as the crow flies, I would have thought being further inland you’d be ahead.
     
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    Where we are seems to be a bit of a frost pocket unfortunately, last nights frost has already turned our Baldsmith buds brown unfortunately. Ah well, second flush in May. Our Son used to live in Fareham and we were surprised at the temperate climate there, even though as you say only 16 miles as the crow flies. If you get the chance take a look at the thread 'cheering us up'. There are some wonderful early Spring photos of lots of different cultivars. Add some of yours, it would be great to see them.
     
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    Jaybee63 Well-Known Member Maple Society

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    I’ve spent to day potting up a few young maples.
    I picked up Attaryi, Red Emporor, Woo Nishiki and Volubile from Barthelemys a couple of weeks back.
    I must be close to 200 Japanese Maples now
     
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    Acerholic Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society

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    I'm looking at ordering one from Barthelemys next week to replace the Higasayama we've recently lost. That's 4 lovely maples you purchased. Bet your looking forward to seeing them leaf out. 200 maples wow, you have your own arbouetum!! At last count we have 138. My wife has told me in no uncertain circumstances that I'm not to buy anymore. Think she's trying to cure my addiction to Acers. Dont think she will succeed. 42 years of collecting is a hard habit to break.
     
  9. Jaybee63

    Jaybee63 Well-Known Member Maple Society

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    Here’s my list, although I’ve lost a small number on this list.
    My gardens not big, but it’s packed with Japanese Maples planted and a few in pots and I enjoy shaping/pruning and training the shapes I want.
    My wife also tried the line “no more acers” but learnt to give up when she kept finding new additions sneaked in.


    Acer Palmatum seedlings, various

    Acontifolium Japonicum

    Aka Shigitatsu Sawa Palmatum

    Amber Ghost Palmatum

    Aobo Jo Palmatum dwarf

    Aoyagi Palmatum

    Aratama Palmatum

    Ariadne Matsumurae variegated

    Asahi Zuru Palmatum variegated

    Atrolineare Linearilobum

    Attaryi Japonicum

    Aureum Shirasawanum

    Autumn Glory Matsumurae

    Autumn Moon Shirasawanum x 2

    Autumn Red Palmatum

    Azuma Murasaki Matsumurae

    Baldsmith Dissectum

    Beni Hagoromo Palmatum new

    Beni Komachi Palmatum x 2

    Beni Maiko Palmatum

    Beni Otake Linearilobum x 2

    Beni-Schichihenge Palmatum variegated x 2

    Beni-Shidare Tricolor Dissectum

    Beni Shien Palmatum

    Beni Tsukasa Palmatum

    Beni Zuru Palmatum

    Berry Dwarf Palmatum

    Bi Hoo Palmatum

    Black Lace Palmatum

    Butterfly Palmatum variegated

    Burgundy lace Matsumurae

    Chikumane Matsumurae

    Chishio Palmatum

    Chitose Yama Matsumurae

    Chugu Ji Palmatum

    Coonara Pygmy Dwarf

    Coral Pink Palmatum

    Corallinum

    Crimson queen Dissectum ft garden plus 2 others

    Crippsii Palmatum

    Crispa, (Okushimo)

    Disectum , oldest established maple

    Elegans Matsumurae

    Emerald Lace

    Emma Dissectum

    Englishtown Palmatum

    Enkan Linearilobum x 2

    Ever Red Dissectum

    Ezono Momiji Shirasawanum

    Filigree Dissectum

    Firecracker Dissectum

    Fireglow Palmatum

    First Ghost Palmatum

    Flavescens Dissectum x 2

    Garnet Dissectum

    Gloria Shirasawanum x 2

    Goshiki Shidare Dissectum

    Green cascade Japonicum

    Hagaromo x 2

    Hana Matoi Dissectum

    Hanami Nishiki Palmatum

    Herbstfeuer Circinatum x Palmatum

    Hessei Matsumurae

    Higasayama Palmatum

    Hino-tori Nishiki Palmatum

    Inaba Shidare Dissectum

    Inazuma Matsumurae

    Indian Summer Japonicum

    Itami Momiji Shirasawanum

    Jerre Schwartz dwarf Palmatum

    Jiro Shidare Palmatum

    Jordan Shirasawanum

    Kagiri Nishiki Palmatum

    Kalmthout Shirasawanum

    Kamagata Palmatum

    Kandy Kitchen Dwarf

    Karasugawa Palmatum x2

    Kasagiyama Palmatum

    Kashima Dwarfe

    Katsura Palmatum

    Kawahara Rose Palmatum

    Kinran Matsumurae

    Kiyohime Dwarf

    Komachi Hime Palmatum dwarf

    Kotohime Palmatum dwarf

    Koto No Ito x2 Linearilobum

    Koto Ito Komachi

    Kuro Hime Palmatum dwarf

    Little Princess Palmatum dwarf x 2

    Lionheart Dissectum x2

    Lutescens Amoenum

    Mahoganey Palmatum

    Marlo Palmatum

    Masu Murasaki Palmatum

    Matsugae Palmatum red form

    Matsukaze Matsumurae, x 2

    Mikawa Yatsabusa dwarf Palmatum x 2

    Milligan Palmatum

    Mirte Palmatum

    Moonrise Shirasawanum

    Momoiro koya San Palmatum

    Murasaki kyohime dwarf

    Nathan Palmatum

    O'kagami Palmatum

    Okushimo (Crispa) Palmatum

    Omure Yama Matsumurae

    Orange dream Palmatum

    Orangeola Dissectum

    Oregon Sunset Palmatum x 2

    Oridono Nishiki Palmatum variegated

    Ornatum Dissectum

    Osakazuki Amoenum

    Otome Zakura

    Palmatifidium Dissectum

    Patricia

    Peaches and cream Matsumurae variegated

    Peve Chameleon Palmatum

    Peve Dave Palmatum

    Pixie Palmatum

    Pink Blush Dissectum

    Red Dragon Dissectum

    Red Emporor

    Red pygmy Linearilobum

    Rubrifolium Dissectum

    Ryoku Ryu Palmatum x 2

    Sango Kaku Palmatum

    Sagara Nishiki Palmatum x 2

    Samurai aka Shigatatsu Sawa

    Saotome Palmatum

    Satsuki Beni Amoenum

    Sazanami, Palmatum

    Seigen Palmatum dwarf

    Seiryu Dissectum x 2

    Seiun Kaku Palmatum

    Sharps Pygmy Palmatum dwarf x 2

    Shidava Gold Palmatum

    Shigitatsu Sawa, Matsumurae x 2

    Shin Deshojo Palmatum

    Shiraz Palmatum

    Shishigashira Palmatum x 2

    Shojo Nomura Palmatum

    Shojo Shidare Dissectum

    Skeeters broom Palmatum x2

    Starfish Palmatum

    Suminagashi Palmatum

    Tama Hime Palmatum

    Tamukeyama Dissectum

    Tatsuta Amoenum

    Tennyo-no-hoshi Palmatum variegated

    Tiny Tim Palmatum

    Toyama Nishiki Dissectum x 3

    Trompenburg Matsumurae

    Trompenburg Green Matsumurae

    Tsuma Beni Amoenum group

    Tsuri Nishiki Matsumurae

    Twombly's red sentinel Palmatum

    Uki gumo Palmatum x 3

    Variegata Dissectum

    Villa Tarranto Linearilobum x2

    Virides Dissectum

    Vitifolium Japonicum

    Volubile

    Wakehurst Pink

    Wendy Palmatum

    Wilsons pink dwarf Palmatum

    Winter Flame Palmatum

    Woo Nishiki

    Yasmin Matsumurae x 2

    Zaaling Dissectum
     
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  10. Acerholic

    Acerholic Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society

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    I recognise a lot on your list that's also in our collection, but WOW your collection is amazing. We enjoy the shaping of ours aswell. Also we dont have a big garden so this is important. We are rather jealous of emery's garden in France, he can collect some wonderful specimens with the space he has.
    Just to say we love the ghost series, the reticulated leaves are so special imo. Please add some photos of yours to the 'cheering ourselves up thread'.
     
  11. Jaybee63

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    I too am in awe of Emery’s garden and amazing collection.
    I will take some pictures this week and add to the thread, but below are some from around the garden last year.
     

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    Ah Summer, great photos and can I say a 'lovely garden'. You should be very pleased. A lovely haven during these difficult times. Ukigumo stands out well and seems very happy in its position.
     
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    I have 3, they really don’t like much sun and variegation is much better with decent shade.
    I’m still working at present, have a business to run. I wish I stocked up on potting compost, bark, grit etc a couple of weeks back as it looks like we will be on shutdown soon.
     
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    Garden centres seem to be open at the moment, so worth stocking up perhaps? Our Ukigumo is in good shade and is very happy. Agreed about the lockdown, we will all be spending a lot more time in our gardens, which is not a bad thing!!
     
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    Ha! I've been given the plant ultimatum many times over the years. After you reach critical mass with enough plants it becomes too many for them to remember exactly which ones you have. You just tuck it in behind some others and play dumb: "What do mean? That's not new, it's been there forever".
     
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    LOL. Good point Tom. Will try that approach. Trouble is after 42 years of marriage, my wife knows all my tricks.
     
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    My wife has given up telling me not to buy, it’s more of a case of where are you going to put it, usually I don’t have the answer but we always find a way.
    I tend to have mine closely planted and keep them shaped and within there allocated bounds.
    I’ve also lifted many trees removing lower limbs creating light and space for low growing maples underneath.
    When challenged, we get clever.
     
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    Nicely put Jaybee63. My wife says the same now "WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IT". When I haven't got an answer, I get a told you so grin in return.
     
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    Found over the years especially with dwarf/semi dwarf trees you will always see far superior leaf patterns and stunning fall colours more than you will with the same cultivar when planted in the ground, one of the best examples for this i have found are mikawa yatsabusa's i have two in the ground which have a good 10/12 year growth behind them both , slow growers as we all know but the shapes on them are really coming along, good twisty shapes changing every year. Now for me to see a decent fall colour on either of the trees we really need to have a very hot sunny summer for them to colour out to a reasonable standard, last year was terrible did nothing but rain hence the colours were a very muted dull yellow, yet the previous year we had a heat wave and the colours were the best i have seen since they were planted out all those years ago. If i were to lift either of these trees (which i won't) and plant out in a container i can guarantee i will see a total transformation come the fall irrespective of the weather conditions, have done this with many a different cultivar over the years and always seen far superior fall colours than if they were still in the ground. Have just recently lifted a dwarf globosum six years in the ground and not a decent fall colour in all those years, this is now in a 60ltr container and hopefully come the fall i will see a vast colour change, added a fall pic from 2019 quite naff really , it's coming on in it's new pot nicely and will be breaking buds shortly.
     

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    I agree, but not just autumn colour.
    I have 2 Mikawa Yatsabusa's. One is a decent size and in a pot and it’s spring colour at the moment is outstanding,
     
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    It does make you think about always keeping our maples in pots tbh. The Autumn colour is so much more vibrant. I also recently watched a YouTube video of a man with over 250 maples in pots, He displayed them well and protected all from direct sun. He was elderly and still able to look after them all. There is a lesson there I think!!!? The only downside with pots is that it does not look natural. But everybody to his own!!!!!
     
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    The only trouble with containerised maples is the constant need for root inspection , and when needed a good pruning and medium replacement, on average i tend to do this once every three years but it gets to a stage where if you have so many it then becomes a regular annual ritual, i seem to be doing this every year now plus take into account i have trees from 15 ltr up to 120 ltr so taking these out of their pots then pruning cleaning and re potting is quite a task both physical and economical just for a hobby? Yes i do have numerous trees in the ground and they look after themselves basically, just the odd branch pruning but even then a time comes when even some of these have to be lifted and containerised to slow them down because of the rate of growth some of these trees can reach (quickly) although this is a hobby it is getting to a stage where you have to think about cutting back on numbers to a more manageable level (say this every year) :) :)
     
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    My wife and I have decided due to our age not to buy anymore, (only replacements for winter loss), but as you say, we all say this every year. How many people do we see on gardening programs who start with one plant then end up having the national collection. Plants are addictive, but what an innocent hobby!!!
    Re time taken with pots , I agree, we have just moved 90% of our collection to ground, to avoid the yearly process, but it will be to the detriment to Autumn colour.
     
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