Flowering Tree in Mexico

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  1. sokkappa

    sokkappa Member

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    I saw this tree in full bloom in early February in many places in soutern Mexico. THe locals called it Primavera. It is an open tree about 15 ft. tall. It is not big enough to be a lumber tree. One of them is on the grounds of the cathedral in Cuernavaca. Can you tell me the scientific name of the tree.
     

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    wrygrass2 Active Member 10 Years

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    Found this 'Yellow flame tree' from brazil on a Mexican web page. Tabebuia caraiba. Might not be the same species as the flowers pictured were single, but should give you a place to start a search from. Here is the google image search for Tabebuia.

    Harry
     
  3. Michael F

    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Unfortunately, the mystery flowers are the wrong shape for Tabebuia, not trumpet-shaped, so it isn't that.
     
  4. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    You may want to look up Cybistax donnellsmithii
    and see if you can find a photo online.

    Primavera

    Jim
     
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    I am pretty sure it is the Cybistax donellsmithii variety. The Google photo gallery has the picture under Tabebuia donellsmithii.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    It's not unusual for double flowers to have had the original shape of the flower obscured by or lost to the doubling. Look at double daffodils, for instance.
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    But not that much! - this plant has a completely different flower structure, including inflorescence arrangement, sepals, and petals. This is not anything in the Bignoniaceae.
     
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    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    I'll wade in: Cochlospermum vitifolium in the Bixaceae (aka the Brazilian rose). There is a "plenum", i.e., a double-flowered variety that can be seen:

    Visit this link: http://www.amigosjb.org.br/AAJB_FloracaodoMes.asp

    (scroll down to just before the middle of the page - click on pic to enlarge).

    There are not a lot of photographs online - if you search for the species in Google images, you'll get a few hits (and a small percentage of those are the double-flowered type).

    In Margaret Barwick's "Tropical and Subtropical Trees, An Encyclopedia", she describes the tree as:

    A photograph of the "plenum" variety is also in the book.
     
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    wrygrass2 Active Member 10 Years

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    Michael was right, and Daniel's Cochlospermum vitifolium looks like the one to me. Primavera = spring. Harry
     
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    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Okay, I see the problem here. The tree shown may not be
    a native to Mexico after all. Yes, it does look closer to this
    below. Obviously the name Primavera does not apply to the
    plant below.

    Cochlospermum vitifolium 'Florepleno', double flower, Buttercup Tree

    Here is a single flower

    Cochlospermum vitifolium 'Single Flower', Buttercup Tree

    Here is another single flower.

    Cochlospermum vitifolium

    Below is a Yellow Tabebuia - Tabebuia caraiba

    Yellow Tabebuia

    I forgot to mention that virtually every online dictionary source
    in regards to Primavera lists it as being Cybistax donnellsmithii.

    Jim
     
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    After the first reply from wrygrass, I went to a Google photo gallery that had a picture of Tabebuia donnellsmithii (and many other species) that looked very much like mine. But I can no longer locate that picture!
     
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    Try Tabebuia donnell smithii or Cybistax donnell smithii For some reason google needs a space between donnell and smithii. I should add that I think the consensus here is that your plant in your picture is actually Cochlospermum vitifolium. Most of the pictures in the previous link are of single flowers(one row of petals), but one or two are double (many rows of petals like a rose) like the ones in your picture. Everyone probably knows the difference between single and double, but just to be clear. Possibly you meant to take a picture of T. donnellsmithii and mistook? There are double species in Tabebuia too. In any case it would probably be easier to locate a T. donnellsmithii tree than it would be to find Cochlospermum vitifolium.

    Harry
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    I think that's because google treats hyphens the same as spaces
     
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    It is similar to Cochlospermum regium (double form) from Thailand. Is it the same or different species?
     

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