Flavescens?

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  1. whis4ey

    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    I was sold this plant as Flavescens some 9 years ago. As I begin to update my website I have been having a closer look at my plants and am now convinced that this plant should probably be more correctly named as 'Viridis'. The leaf is shown with the tree as it is today. Flavescens would be more yellowish in leaf colour, more spreading in habit, and the leaf more likely to have 7 divisions than the 9 shown here
    Am I correct?
    Any other ideas?
    More photographs of the plant can be seen at:
    This dissectum
    Be aware that it is still referred to as Flavescens for the time being
     

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  2. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    No, this Maple is not Flavescens.

    Flavescens is the green form counterpart to Esveld's
    Garnet. The shapes of the leaves (lobes) are almost
    identical but one has the coloring of a garnet gemstone
    and the other is green leaf. It is the new growth after
    the initial Spring flush of growth that will be an aocha
    (yellow green) in color. The early Spring growth can
    be tinged with slight red markings in the outer portion
    of the lobes when grown in bright sun or in full sunlight
    We can see the red markings here in the second flush of
    Spring growth but many other areas, especially cooler
    growing areas may not see it. The growth habits of
    Flavescens and the true form Garnet are essentially
    the same as well.

    Jim
     
  3. whis4ey

    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Thanks JIm
    But you don't tell me what you think it is ?
     
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    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    You asked if it was Flavescens or not, not what it
    is. Now, the what is it question. How about this
    for some help. 9 lobes right? I don't think it is a
    Viridis or a Viridis group. It is an old Maple and
    it does indeed have an established name. A photo
    of it is not shown in the Vertrees second edition
    book. There is a photo of this Maple in the Esveld
    web site.

    Sorry for doing things this way but I'd rather
    confirm and I will do that for you rather than
    come right out and tell what it is. Now, we
    may have more involvement from people even
    if it is a guess from them.

    Jim
     
  5. whis4ey

    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    LOL Jim
    You love to encourage investigations :)
    Vertrees doesn't show a picture of the leaf of Viridis, but does suggest that the leaf can have either 7 or 9 lobes
    It may however be rather more 'lacy' than the leaf on my own plant
    Kiri Nishiki is a possibility but again without a leaf photograph to compare with I have difficulty here
    There is a photograph in Garden Maples by Van Gelderen which looks very similar, although he describes the variety as being wider than tall. That conflicts with my own plant somewhat.
    Esveld doesn't make the same claim
    Do you think it might be Kiri Nishiki? It certainly is in line with the colouration
     
  6. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Your flav04.jpg photo from your web site
    is how I remember Kiri nishiki with that
    coloring. The Maple is similar to Sekimori
    in its leaf structure but a lighter green and
    Kiri nishiki makes a more tightly constructed,
    bun shaped plant than Sekimori. Your Maple
    is wider than it is tall if we think in terms of
    diameter. Sekimori can get much taller, rangier
    and less compact than your Maple is when grown
    here and is noticeably a darker green leaf in color.

    Jim
     
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    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Thanks for your help Jim
    With putting these plants onto my website I don't want to mislead anyone
    Regards
     

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