Discussion in 'Maples' started by webwolf, Jan 5, 2005.

  1. webwolf

    webwolf Active Member 10 Years

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    I still trying to find names for my maples. I have two slow growing disectums. They start of green and stay green through the season. I think they are called Filigree or Green Filigree.
    Can anyone confirm that?

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  2. MtnGato

    MtnGato Active Member

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    There are several green laceleaf Japanese maples that stay green all season, so that by itself may not dictate any one cultivar. Your photo, however, does look like the Filigree that I have. A notable characteristic of Filigree is the tiny white/cream speckles on the leaves and fine white striping on the bark; it looks like that may be present in the photo but I can't tell for sure.
    Also, I believe "green Filigree" came into use when a red version of "Filigree" was developed, but the plain name "Filigree" should refer to the green one.
  3. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    The Maple looks Filigree to me but I'd like to see the coloration in the

    Green Filigree is a misnomer as the original plant was named Silver
    Lace and then later named Filigree. The confusing part is not in the
    green forms as Silver Lace used to exist and is a little but not much,
    different than Filigree is other than Silver Lace has more widespread
    variegation in the leaves than Filigree often has. The problem is more
    so in the reds. The two plants that Mr. William Goddard received
    were later called Red Filigree Lace and Ruby Lace. They are vastly
    different in their growing habits as well as the size and shape of the
    leaves. Most people have since dropped the Lace part of the Red
    Filigree name which is now okay I guess and has become rather
    common. There is a limited number of people alive today that have
    seen Ruby Lace which will remind someone of Ornatum in the shape
    of the leaves but Ruby Lace will start out almost a crimson red in the
    Spring and will hold its color long into the Summer for us here and
    then will turn its scarlet reds and oranges in the Fall. Ruby Lace has
    a growth habit more similar to Crimson Queen as opposed to the
    growth habit of a standard low grafted form of Ornatum. The leaves
    of Ruby Lace looks just like a red leafed Ornatum would with the
    fine toothed cuts in the serration of the leaves and with the more
    "feathery", thinly, dissected lobes than Crimson Queen has.

    There was a variegated red form of Filigree however but I seriously
    doubt any of you have ever seen it. It was an eye catcher but only
    just a couple of nurseries in Japan, one in Oregon and two here
    in California ever had it and it was not propagated much at all
    which probably led to its demise as the older plants died out
    on us. The Red Filigree Variegated was my personal favorite of
    the variegated dissectums for many years. I've never had it for me
    but have monitored an old plant in the nursery for roughly 14 years.
    The original cutting grown plant I got to know well now resides in
    a private estate garden. I've seen two plants in Kyoto, both were
    cutting grown, one was in a nursery and the other was in a private
    Botanical Garden.

  4. oattao54

    oattao54 Active Member

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    Elk Grove, CA, USA
    Thanks Mr. Shep for your info about Red filigree and Filigree in general. I'm quite new to this forum so I have not known there were threads called 'Filigree??' like this one and 'Filigree', so I open a new thread also called 'Filigree'. I personally love both variations of Filigree, Green or Red. Yes, the Green Filigree should be called something like Silver Lace because of it colors in Spring. Again, thanks for your info.

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