Compact, evergreen shrub....tiny 4 petal flowers.

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  1. Silver surfer

    Silver surfer Generous Contributor 10 Years

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    Seen yesterday at Glendoick gardens. Perthshire. Scotland.
    Tiny 4 petal flowers just like Euonymus...however leaves alternate.
    Celastraceae?
    Could be unusual/rare as the owners, the Cox family are 3 generations of plant hunters.
    Help appreciated.
    Thank you.

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    Silver surfer Generous Contributor 10 Years

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    Thanks.
    Never considered holly!
    Would it not be huge?
    Ilex vomitoria....never seen it before.
    Garden is only open April and May.
    Would love to sneak a look in the autumn to see berries.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Flowers look like they may be perfect; don't recall seeing a sheathed looking new shoot on an Ilex.
     
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    wcutler Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    I thought that should be wrong, but it's what my reference photo showed. Maybe that was mis-identified. There is another south-eastern US native: Ilex decidua, which has perfect flowers, though the leaves don't look as rough as these. There are all those other 500 Ilex, though Ron B has said that the sheathed looking new shoot looks wrong for Ilex.
     
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    This might be completely off track but perhaps a Gymnosporia? In the Celastraceae family. The flowers are somewhat similar.
    Gymnosporia
     
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    The Flora of Pakistan and The Flora of China both refer to 4-5 petals. Not something I have experience with though but thought it might have a possibility.
    florataxon.aspx
     
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    Silver surfer Generous Contributor 10 Years

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    Thank you for help above.
    Back again today .
    Tiny berries now formed.
    Sorry, Pics not very good but capsules are not round, seem to be 4 part.
    I sent e mail to owner Ken Cox ...he has family planting records..still awaiting response.

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    Silver surfer Generous Contributor 10 Years

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    Thank you for your suggestion.
    Sorry for delay in replying.
    I was waiting in case experts could comment.
    I looked at Cneorum.
    Apparently only 2 recognised sp..neither seem to match

    Quote wiki......

    Species[edit]
    As of January 2018, Plants of the World Online accepted the following two species:[1]

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&taxon_id=451772
     

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