Can You Guess What It is?

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  1. wujiaofeng

    wujiaofeng New Member

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    A beautiful maple in Jiuzhaigou in Sichuan,China.

    Do you know it's name?
     

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  2. Scion Swapper

    Scion Swapper Active Member 10 Years

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    Here's my guess:

    Acer ukurunduense, or Acer spicata var. ukurunduense.

    How did I do?

    Brian
     
  3. Michael F

    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Acer caudatum
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    wujiaofeng New Member

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    Let me see.Oh,none of you have got the right anwser.

    Please guess again.I will give you the right anwser,tomorrow.

    Here are sth about it.
     
  6. wujiaofeng

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    1,It is not tall.About 2 meters high.

    2,It grows on the high mountain(2000m~4000m),and it's very cold there

    (10 degree in July in daytime).
     

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    3,It's not far from the lake.

    Oh, I can't put the pics on it,

    Why?!
     
  8. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    wujiaofeng, you need to activate your forums membership to get full access (and more picture space). I'll send you another email - you have to click on the link in the email to get fully registered.
     
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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Acer maximowiczii?
     
  10. wujiaofeng

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    I have to say. It's very strange here.When I put out a post.
    It can't appear at once.And I can't put as many pics as I can.
    I can't understand some words,I don't know how to delete the
    pics I have put on


    the maple is Acer caesium.
    Do you know it?
     
  11. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    It is because you have to confirm your email address. When you registered, you submitted an email address as yours. Three emails have now been sent to that email address with a link in them that you need to click on to confirm that the email address is yours.

    Once you have done so, then your messages will appear at once and you can put on many more pics.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Michael F Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    I'd wondered about this one when I was looking for ideas for my answer, but dropped it because the inflorescence is described as being a corymb, not an erect spike like this plant has
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Leaves really don't look right either.
     
  15. wujiaofeng

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    Maybe I have put on a wrong address.

    Because I haven't received any e-mails.

    It's **snip**

    Is it right.
     
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    I don't know much about maples.

    I think it is Acer caesium because the card reads it.

    It grows in a very famous mountain park in Sichuan.

    this kind of maple is ordinery there.

    and all of them has a card that says it is Acer caesium,

    I don't think such a famous park can make this mistake.

    Maybe a lot of corymbs form this kind of thing.

    Just like lavender.
     
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    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Yes, that is the email address used. I've sent a fourth activation email. You can also send me an email directly to confirm: go to the contact info under my web page: http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/people/mosquin.php
     
  18. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Ron, you and Michael are real good with species forms
    and when you guys are on the same page people had better
    take notice. I went through the link Michael listed a couple
    of days ago and picked out a possible Maple and felt this
    one was not Acer caesium also when we were told what it
    was. Being familiar with a few areas of concern that others
    have had with some of the Chinese plants I would want to
    know how can the plant can be proven to be what even an
    expert said it was? Taxonomic keys are great but where was
    the evaluation done, with plants in the ground or plants brought
    into the lab or from analysis of various photos. Doesn't matter
    that much as I am not questioning the validity of the written
    material as I do not know enough about these plants to even
    begin there but I did question the flower spike and petiole color
    on the youngest growth for this one being Acer caesium.

    I looked at this one below a couple of days ago. Something to
    keep in mind is that in 1960 it was not so easy to bring plants
    into the US from China. In many cases these plants had to come
    from someone that originally got them from China, brought them
    into Japan and then we got our plants from people in Japan.

    Acer caesium ssp. Giraldii

    Wujiaofeng, yes even the most renown aboretums make mistakes
    with names. Sometimes it is too easy to take one person’s word
    for what a plant is rather than get a few other people’s opinions
    on what the plant should be named. Technical terms for taxonomic
    purposes really mean nothing out in the field if we cannot identify
    the plant upon sight without our books with us. The people that
    have to have their books with them to confirm what the plant is
    out in the open have already left themselves suspect in what they
    know about that plant is just my opinion as we either know the
    plant upon sight or we do not know it and if we admit we do not
    know it then we have use someone else’s interpretation or photo
    and hope that photograph is correct to help solve our mystery in
    what the plant may be. We always will run into trouble when names
    are placed on a tag or on a name plate when the person that named
    the plant for someone else was guessing and we see this happen a lot,
    even from the most knowledgeable of people. It used to drive some
    of us crazy trying to sort out what some people have done for names
    of these plants and the reasoning or lack thereof they used to come
    up with some of these names.

    The Maples of China opens up a whole new world for us to learn but
    some of these Maple were known in Japan from plant explorations into
    Korea and China. Even when China and Japan were at war with each
    other there were plants being shared amongst various people in both
    countries at great risk to them personally as you might imagine. Still,
    today much of what we know about the Maples of China comes from
    information that was written in the old and various Maples of the World
    books out of Japan. The more recent Maples of the World book by
    van Gelderen et all becomes of even more significance due to what
    those people had to sort out just to be able to compile much of anything
    about the Asian Maples as when we see even from the link Michael listed
    there is a lot of stuff that people had to deal with such as Acer caesium,
    Acer giraldii and Acer caesium ssp. Giraldii. I learned them being Acer
    caesium and Acer caesium var. giraldii as we felt they were both the same
    Maple but one was a variety of the other one. One of the Maples of the
    World
    books out of Japan listed Acer giraldii as being Acer caesium
    var. giraldii
    and with one of the Maples in the collection and the other
    one about a three hour drive away from us, we felt the Japanese botanists
    had these figured out right until we know differently and we left it at that.

    Jim
     
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