Hi, Yes I had to buy more maples and could not resist a bargain. But of course the labels where missing or completely wrong, so that I rely on the forums knowledge to identify them if possible. The first two pictures are from a plant with orange bark and beautiful red/green sometimes varigated leafs. (it was labelled a red dissectum). I tend to think that I bought a Sango Kaku or Orange Bark but the leafs did not look the same than on the pictures I could download. The other one is obviously a varigated dissectum. I went through every possible picture on that Dutch maple side ( Elgin?) but could not find a matching picture. Can anyone help?
Second tree: A.p. Toyama nishiki This has become a more common green and white verigated dissectum here, that often shows some pink. It is also very possible that you have an older form of verigated dissectum, but I would not be qualified to make that I'd without a bit more research. The first tree could be Sango kaku, but there are some things about it that confuse me. I'll look at some photos and get back to you. Some seedlings of red barked maples have been grown and propagated, as that is always and option. MJH
Wolfgang, I'm not even close to being qualified enough to help you ID either of the two, but I must say I do like the second one. Don't you just love a bargain! Where do you buy your plants? I'm always keen for a bargain or two.
The best supplier of named JM's downunder I found to come from RARAFLORA in Berri Victoria regards Wolfgang
Wolfgang: I attached a couple photos of my Toyama nishiki this past fall. Believe it or not, I have had that little guy for two years now. It has not been a strong grower, but it may just need to establish a little better--there was also the incident were a nearly killed it all the way back to the understock, but it is making a good recovery considering. I think the leaf shap is pretty similar and the coloring on yours looks about right, although I see a bit more pink in mine. I might also add that the lack of pink in your tree might make it more likely to be Acer plamatum dissectum veriegatum, as similar tree. This tree shows mostly white verigation with very limited pink, which seems to be the case in your tree. Pink is much more prevalent in Toyama nishiki. Still thinking on the first tree, but it doesn't look like Sango kaku and being the faintness of the red color, I might hesitate to classify it as a red or colored bark maple. MJH
to mjh, I went on a site called http://www.worldplants.com/laceleaf.htm and the Toyama nishiki on the large picture looks very close to mine. Thanks to Paul, Raraflora PO Box 39 Berry NSW 2535 Tel 02 44486034 ? fax 02 44486034
Wolfgang: The whole purpose of the books on Maples is to better acquaint us to these plants should we decide to grow them. The art of growing these Maples will vary from locale to locale. With so many different Maples to choose from there is no way an author can tell us everything we need to know in order to better select them for purchase or to define how to grow them depending on our locations. What works well in Central to Northern Oregon can differ greatly in Southern Oregon, for example. If you spend some serious time online looking at web sites looking, peering at Maples you had better see a large variance in what people are calling these Maples. I can understand the problems you had in trying to better ascertain what your Maples are from the online photos. It helps to know what these Maples look like in a growing season to better know when the photos were taken. If we know the Maple cultivar well enough we can know just by the perusual photo whether the Maple is right or not. This takes a lot of time invested in the study of Maples and from seeing many Maples to make a correlation that should but not always be true of the plant no matter where it is grown. Then there is what repotting or new soil or cyclic or any kind of fertilization will do to the Maple that can indeed confuse us so much that we may not be able to know what we have in a variegated form until later in the growing season. For one of your mystery Maples it is something that is very common. I know as I have that same exact Maple, same form also, that I bought years ago from Berkeley Hort. The dissectum Maple is one that cause much consternation as even the Maple that is closest to being right online does not show us all that we need to see of it to make an accurate comparison to your Maple. There are many examples of the name of your Maple online and I wish I did not have to be the person to write this but so many of those Maples are misnamed. Even in one of the books I mentioned in the Blurb City thread the description of your Maple and another Maple were listed backwards. It was by accident. So, with all the above in mind and considering I know what you have as I have one and have been around the dissectum form for almost 25 years I will now tell you what you have. The Palmatum shaped leaf Maple is the same form I have. I know of at least three forms of this Maple: Orido nishiki. The dissectum that you have and it is a true Japanese form as opposed to the European form is: Toyama nishiki. You have a good "eye" for Maples and I hope you keep up your keen interest but please do invest in the books as they will provide you a better overall supplement than all save a couple of online web sites. The Esveld and the Ganshukutei web sites are still my favorite Maple web sites to look at and study online. 444, that is a good number I guess. This will do it for a while. Too much work to do and I am getting too close to burn out on writing posts. Later gator. Good luck Wolfgang! Jim
Thanks Jim, and I hope you will not give up posting valuable information to this group. Wolfgang PS: I ordered 'Maples of the World' from Amazon.
Hi Webwolf: I am just going to take a break for a little while, that's all. I have an issue to sort out and then I will be fine. Your Orido nishiki will yield more variegation in time. For me I get my best coloring in the early Spring and during mid to late Summer. The more vigorous the growth we get, the less variegation we will see. This Maple can take heat real well as long as it gets ample water and is protected from hot afternoon winds where I am. Glad you ordered one of the books. Best regards, Jim
