Another BLE identification.

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  1. LPN

    LPN Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    This one planted in a public park and clearly mislabeled as Garry Oak.
    Thanks in advance for any help identifying this one. Cheers.

     

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    Excuse me, but what do you mean by BLE? I checked on the Net but nothing what I could find seems to apply here BLE - Wikipedia
     
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    LPN Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    BLE - Broad leaf evergreen.
     
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    wcutler Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    Quercus acutissima, sawtooth oak.
     
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    LPN Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    So as a deciduous tree, this must hold it's leaves a long time in such good form.
    The third week into November. Nearly all deciduous trees have either lost their leaves, or are in an advanced state of doing so. This one looks mid season form. Humm?
    Cheers, Barrie.
     
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    wcutler Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    Hmm. The Vancouver Trees app says the leaves should turn brown and papery in October. I either have the wrong ID or this youngster just isn't ready for winter yet. I can check tomorrow what the leaves are doing on a local sawtooth oak.
     
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    Botanykerwin_0529 New Member

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    I would say it was the most preferable to plant native Garry Oak, but wrong ID and labelling seem to have happened.

    Right, Q. acutissima is told to be deciduous, we got to consider there are lots of "semi-deciduous" or "half evergreen" kinds of oaks.
    The alien, obviously most frequently planted oak belongs to section Cerris with several half evergreen species, depending on native range and climate.
    Watching this individual's leaves, these look tough and rigid to me as with lots of evergreen oaks, hence i am not the least surprised the young tree is not in winter dormancy.
    As the 2nd photo reveals, the wether should have been rather mild in this autum, the lawn is fresh green as if having grown till lately.
    The young oak has been planted recently, in need to grow fresh roots immediately, all together sound reasons and conditions to retain leaves and strengthen the tree.

    Erwin
     
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    Botanykerwin_0529 New Member

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    Just try to alert @Michael F who knows better than me concerning trees in general.
    Had a closer look at photos here and elsewhere: I got to doubt it was Q. acutissima, leaf teeth got no bristly proceedings, tomentum of young shoots is pretty white, not "yellowish gray".
    Too many kinds of oaks for me, i hardly ever will have time to dig deeper into!

    Best regards, Erwin
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    It's Quercus ilex.
     
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    Hmm, surely thought about Q. ilex, yet leaves looked quite large and relatively long for this species. On the other hand this seems to be an oak with high variability, so why not, leaves look like evergreen, sclerophyllic. You might have caught the bird so far.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Apart from it absolutely being a holly oak in the first picture look at the second one for relative leaf size and general foliage aspect - the stakes will be less than 3 in. in thickness.

    I hope that is not a liberally amended planting hole we are seeing in these shots.
     
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    wcutler Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    Thanks for posting this, @LPN. I have never seen or noticed the spiny marginal teeth that Holm oak's juvenile shoots are supposed to have.
     
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    Surely had not expected anyone wished to plant Holm Oak in BC, but what may i know about?
     
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    wcutler Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout 10 Years

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    It's included in the Vancouver Trees App | UBC Botanical Garden, noting that "at least one California nursery has in the past shipped smaller containerized Q. ilex to nurseries in the Vancouver area."
     

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