Alkaline soil? or?

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  1. windmill

    windmill Member

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    Not sure of where to start, but here goes;

    A large number of acers in an adult complex with very anemic leaves. Checking numerous areas in the plant beds and lawns shows pH at 6.5 -7.3, however samples taken at 6+ inches depth and sent out for analysis shows pH at 8+. Is this possible? How do I begin to correct the pH from the surface when the surface is acidic and the subsoil is alkaline?

    Maybe someone can deduce more from the attached pictures? Alkalinity would explain the apparent chlorosis of the leaves, but I'm not sure that that is all that is going on.
     

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  2. Gomero

    Gomero Well-Known Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    Increased pH with depth is quite common, specially with undisturbed soil where the top layer has seen a lot of organic matter which, when decomposing, tend to slowly acidify the soil. Lowering the pH of soils is quite a task and you may Google 'acidifying soil' to learn the many different ways (too long to recall here) to do that.
    I agree with you that, in addition to high pH, there maybe other problems like mineral imbalance which only a soil test may confirm.

    Gomero
     
  3. windmill

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    This complex is about 8 years old, so soil has been disturbed in a somewhat recent past, or would 8 years be sufficient to be subject to what you suggest? I was thinking opposite of your post, that perhaps the fill brought in might be the problem? This problem has been ongoing with some tress having been replaced already.
     
  4. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    A little more background information may be needed.
    What was the problem with the fill dirt or has that
    issue been determined? How much water is this
    tree getting, how much is applied in each watering
    and how often? What is the principal soil type
    of the native soil and what was the soil type of
    the fill dirt. Just for the heck of it what was the
    pH of the fill dirt? What is the pH of the water
    and are there any nutrient issues with the water
    such as excess boron, manganese, calcium in
    the water?

    The lack of chlorophyll in the leaves does indicate
    a severe nutrient imbalance, perhaps a toxicity of
    sorts or the effects of nematodes on the roots.
    When has this tree been fertilized and what was
    the composition, the formulation and the applied
    rate of the fertilizer? How well was it watered into
    and down through the root zone?

    A pH of 8 is not alkaline, you are in the saline
    range. The misses clay loam soil has a pH of
    8.2 at 1 to 2 feet down, used to be 9.3 before
    I took over the yard and landscape tasks. I
    believe some of our trees in a landscape are
    still posted in this forum and no where will
    you see salt burn on the leaves.

    The top of the tree does not look good to me
    at all. Much more worrisome than the green
    depleted leaves with the net veination as seen
    in the second photo. If you want us to better
    pinpoint what your issue or issues are you
    will have to fill in more the blanks (unknowns)
    for us. As of now you either have severe case
    of a combination of a nutrient imbalance, chemical
    or nutrient toxicity, the beginnings of a possible
    invertebrate problem or lack of deep watering
    and the issues seen and presented can be the
    results of all of the above.

    Jim
     
  5. maf

    maf Generous Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    In addition, the maple in picture 3 looks like it was topped or "rounded over" during this past summer - numerous stubby branches ending in a neat outline. That may possibly have led to sunburn within the formerly shaded parts of the canopy, which may or may not be a contributing factor to the poor health of these trees.

    P.S. Topping is probably the wrong word for the type of pruning shown as major branches were not cut, but it certainly looks as if it was given a good haircut.
     

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