Advice Sought For Wet Ground

Discussion in 'Outdoor Gardening in the Pacific Northwest' started by mark sooke, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. mark sooke

    mark sooke Member

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    I joined this forum a few months ago and have learned a lot from reading the postings here. I have a few acres of land all on a gentle slope with good gardening soil and lots of sun. The land was used for years to pasture horses. It is mostly grass with a few large trees in places. The soil is more clay than sand with lots of earthworms seen every time I dig with the shovel. There is a patch of land about 100 feet wide that goes through the middle of the property. Apparently it used to be a creek bed. The surface water was diverted many years ago but water still flows underground. It provides me with a great source of well water all year round. During the rainy season from December to February the water table in this patch is very high. If I dig a hole more than 8 inches deep it immediately begins to fill with water even though the ground is on a slope. In areas of depression, the ground becomes muddy. For the rest of the year, between March and November, the water table drops up to 10 feet and this patch of land becomes like the rest of the property. Can I plant deciduous trees and fruit trees on this patch of land? Will the roots die from being under water during their dormant period (December to February)?
     
  2. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Drainage-wise, the property sounds very similar to some of the land in the developing Sunshine Coast Botanical Garden.

    Certainly no problem to grow some trees there -- depends on what you want, though. Alders and willows will be easy (and perhaps they're already colonizing). Were you leaning toward native trees or would non-natives work?

    As for fruit trees, I'll have to let someone with more expertise step in.
     
  3. sookebasingardener

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    I also garden in Sooke on heavy clay that can be wet. I recently added an orchard after a years worth of amending the drainage and am very glad that I did. It was a lot of heavy digging and time consuming but the only trees actually thriving are the ones I planted in the well drained area. It will be interesting to see this year how the trees on the edge of the drainage area grow. Good luck
     
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    I wouldn't put fruit trees in that wet of ground. Daniel mentioned willows; those will grow, as will redtwig dogwood, ninebark some birches, and Oregon Ash (all natives). Non natives include Red Maple and Tupelo.
     
  5. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    The 2002 Hillier manual lists the trees

    Alnus
    Amelanchier
    Betula nigra
    Betula pendula
    Betula pubescens
    Crataegus laevigata
    Magnolia virginiana
    Mespilus germanica
    Populus
    Pterocarya
    Pyrus
    (most)
    Quercus palustris
    Salix
    Sorbus aucuparia


    and the conifers

    Metasequioa glyptostroboides
    Picea sitchensis
    Taxodium distichum


    for "damp sites".

    The Visial Aid to Tree Selection table in Decorative Trees for Country, Town and Garden (Mitchell/Jobling, 1984, HMSO Books) has the "broadleaves"

    Acer rubrum
    Alnus cordata
    A. glutinosa
    A. incana
    A. subcordata
    Betula nigra
    B. pubescens
    Carya cordiformis
    Cercidiphyllum japonicum
    Crataegus oxyacantha
    Liquidambar styraciflua
    Populus alba
    [and multiple other poplars]
    Pterocarya fraxinifolia
    P. x rehderana
    Salix alba [and some other willows]
    Sorbus aucuparia

    and the conifers

    Abies alba
    Cryptomeria japonica
    C. japonica
    'Lobbii'
    Metasequoia glyptostroboides
    Picea sitchensis
    Pinus contorta
    var. contorta
    Sequoia sempervirens
    Taxodium distichum
    Thuja occidentalis
    T. occidentalis
    'Lutea'
    T. occidentalis 'Spiralis'
    T. plicata
    T. plicata
    'Semperaurescens'
    Thujopsis dolabrata
    Tsuga canadensis
    T. heterophylla


    marked as "strongly recommended" for "wet soils".
     
  6. mark sooke

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    I appreciate all the responses. Thanks Ron for that great list of possibilities.
     
  7. janetdoyle

    janetdoyle Active Member 10 Years

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    This exchange is a wonderful example of how this forum can be useful for a wide range of people. I really appreciate browsing this particular thread, because we have a wet spot and spots on our condo grounds which can benefit from this background knowledge expressed above... the reference to the Sunshine Coast Botanical Garden that Daniel makes is new to me and its website shows a work in progress there -- more information for plant and nature lovers developing in that locale! I would like to browse that and visit it too... also the books that Ron B suggests would be a great benefit to readers of this thread and others too... Ron, have you published or posted a horticultural bibliography any place which our readers could access?
     

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